10 Pro-Gun Myths, Shot Down

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Better to pray to God for protection.

Matthew 26:52 RSV
Then Jesus said to him, "Put your sword back into its place; for all who take the sword will perish by the sword.

LOVE! ❤️
:rolleyes:

Let’s see how many gun control males say that when someone breaks into their house and wants their son/daughter/wife/girlfriend.

The Catholic Church teaches that self-defense is acceptable.
 
Nobody wants to take your guns away!!! But what is your personal concern for the safely of women:

Myth #7: Guns make women safer.
Fact-check: In 2010, nearly 6 times more women were shot by husbands, boyfriends, and ex-partners than murdered by male strangers.
• A woman’s chances of being killed by her abuser increase more than 7 times if he has access to a gun.
• One study found that women in states with higher gun ownership rates were 4.9 times more likely to be murdered by a gun than women in states with lower gun ownership rates.
Let me see now, I never had a husband, or ex-partner, and I have two 22 rifles, so I’m not worried about them and with the two guns I am not going to worry about male strangers. 😃
 
I’ll address Myth #5:
Myth #5: Keeping a gun at home makes you safer.
Fact-check: Owning a gun has been linked to higher risks of homicide, suicide, and accidental death by gun.
And the possession of prescription narcotics is correlated with the risk of an accidental drug overdose. 🤷

From that very study (to show the error in cherry-picking) (my bolding):

"The majority of these studies, however, inferred a passive exposure to a handgun (for example, a handgun present in the home). Little is known about the relationship between handgun purchase itself—the conscious decision to undergo a sustained close exposure to firearms—and subsequent risk of violent or firearm related mortality. "

The source is over ten years old.
• For every time a gun is used in self-defense in the home, there are 7 assaults or murders, 11 suicide attempts, and 4 accidents involving guns in or around a home.
This link can be deceiving. In the first place, this study is dated 1998. Every scholar knows that supporting references should be no more than 5 years old, especially when one is trying to make a case for a change in legislation.

With only the abstract of this study to read, the conclusion can be misleading. Were the assaults and murders committed with legally or illegally-owned guns? The abstract also doesn’t mention the statistics broken down by city which, considering demographics, is useful to put the homicides into perspective.

It also does not state how many homeowners protected themselves by *warning *intruders that they had a gun, or *brandishing *the gun, without firing. The fact that only 13 of the cases firearms were actually discharged in self-defense hardly proves that guns have not been used in higher numbers in cases of self-defense.
• 43% of homes with guns and kids have at least one unlocked firearm.
Some other facts: 50% of Americans leave chemicals unlocked in their homes
More than 80% of Americans leave their medications unsecured
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                          92% of all poison exposures occur in homes
                  Poisonings are the second leading cause of unintentional home-injury death 
                  and account for nearly one-third of all unintentional home injuries
Poisonings Second Leading Cause of Unintentional Injury Deaths in American Homes (news release, Washington, DC: Home Safety Council, Feb 5, 2004) pr newswire.com (accessed 5 Feb 2004).

From the CDC:
cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_06.pdf

The leading causes of death – after medically-based / disease complications – are: Motor vehicle accidents, drug-induced deaths, accidental poisonings, falls, alcohol-related deaths, suicide by firearm, suicide by other means, assault by firearm, assault by other means/weapon, drowning, smoke/fire, accidental discharge by firearm. . .in that order.

Takeaway: You’re safer if you are in possession of a gun instead of a vehicle, drugs (prescription or OTC), poison/toxic substance, stairs/clutter/rugs or anything that increases the risk of a fall, and alcohol

Among the leading causes of accidental death for infants, and barring congenital defects and SIDS, the leading causes of accidental infant mortality are due to drowning, suffocation, respiratory distress caused by inhalation of food, smoke/fire, poisoning.
The number of infant deaths associated with accidental discharge of firearms nationwide is “-", which typically means that the number is less than 10.

Takeaway: Your home would be safer for your infant if you had a gun in the house instead of a:
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Bath
Swimming pool
Electrical outlet, or other fire-risk 
Crib with blankets
Baby food 
Prescription or OTC medication
• In one experiment, one third of 8-to-12-year-old boys who found a handgun pulled the trigger.
*One *study. Which is 13 years old. (it seems whoever wrote this article is grasping at straws to make a case)

But if in challenging this “gun myth” they are trying to say that proper gun safety measures decrease the risk of death, then I can’t think of anyone who would disagree with that. It’s common sense. Just as it’s common sense that your child is more likely to die from drinking Drano if you don’t put a safety latch on your kitchen cupboards. Child’s curiosity, and all that.

Maybe I’m missing the point of this one study.🤷
 
No, in other words, “If guns are outlawed, then only outlaws will have guns” has no application in reality since no one is trying to outlaw all guns. The best we can hope for is that all gun owners will legitimately pass effective gun control checks and be thus authorized to protect against those who are unauthorized.
In the USA gun control was originally proposed by crime bosses who were tired of their thugs getting gunned down by ordinary citizens.
 
Having a gun may very well save your life, of loved ones or other innocent people, and I’m glad that they had a gun when they do. But I also think that there’s great risks that one should be made aware of.

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I was aware of the dangers of fire arms before I turned six (sixty years ago). I learned them from my dad (an ex-MP). 🙂
 
While I respect and acknowledge the arguments put forth here, I noticed they didn’t address one:

“If guns are outlawed, then only outlaws will have guns”.

I have never, not once, heard anyone even try to refute this statement, much less do so persuasively.
Good Evening Jack: I love word games! So, your search is over, because I have a reply to yours:

“If guns were outlawed, only outlaws would accidentally shoot their kids, or get their faces blown off playing with them.”

And since we’re doing plays on words, I might add: That’s a fact Jack.

Thanks,
Gary
 
Private citizens don’t have very many of these types of skills or at least not with any depth of training. If a person is faced with a police officer training a gun on them their reaction is necessarily different to having a private citizen who could have any manner of deficiency in reacting in highly stressful situations regardless of his mental state or gun handling ability. I really think the US aren’t giving the overall environment of private gun ownership due considerations.
I’m tired of hearing about how gun owners are not skilled with guns. I’ll bet you a lot of sharpshooter hunters could give any PD on this planet a run for their money.

Responsible gun owners practice a lot and do get training for their weapons here in the USA----at least the law abiding ones do.
 
A spare tyre and drinking bottle are certainly not tools that could result in the death of a person.

If guns were really necessary for the defense of your life in the US they should be made available to us as tourists when we enter your country. The whole law is based on a justification that is discriminatory and unjust in itself. Guns are only available to citizens who qualify but restricted to the mentally ill, children, tourists and an array of other ‘weak’ candidates. It’s survival of the fittest and that’s not a good philosophy at all.
Would you mind clarifying this? How is the law discriminatory?:confused:
 
Better to pray to God for protection.

Matthew 26:52 RSV
Then Jesus said to him, "Put your sword back into its place; for all who take the sword will perish by the sword.

LOVE! ❤️
He also told people to go sell their cloak and buy a sword (1st century version of the gun). :rolleyes:
 
Myth 4 is complete Bull S**t.

The reason why there were so many mass shootings is because they were at GUN FREE ZONES. Therefore the LAW ABIDING CITIZEN would most likely obey the rule and not bring their gun whereas the criminal who doesn’t obey the law would bring a gun.
 
Myth 4 is complete Bull S**t.

The reason why there were so many mass shootings is because they were at GUN FREE ZONES. Therefore the LAW ABIDING CITIZEN would most likely obey the rule and not bring their gun whereas the criminal who doesn’t obey the law would bring a gun.
The myth-busters must have watched this video:

youtube.com/watch?v=YO0F6enwzEo

You’ll have to excuse their misconceptions.
 
Then let me try.

Not only outlaws will have guns but also police, and legitimate authorized US armed forces.
Anyone else will obviously be subject to accountability.

But of course all guns will never be outlawed.
“Statistics don’t lie but liars use statistics”

You do realize the that the statistics on ‘private’ gun ownership vs military and law enforcement forces includes both current and former military and law enforcement … many of which are private gun owners too in addition to their vocation…

Thus they are counted twice - or on both sides of that argument - for the current gun owners and military and law enforcement equal being counted on both sides …

And then there are those retired members - they don’t turn in their private munitions in the same way they turn in their government issued munitions …
 
Would you mind clarifying this? How is the law discriminatory?:confused:
If a person is safer and feels safer in owning a gun, that option should be available to every citizen… not just those that qualify as appropriate. Why should the weak be left vulnerable and unprotected because of their weakness?
 
In Australia, officers carry a gun on one hip and a taser on the other. The taser is used far more frequently than the gun. Private civilians don’t have that option. I’m not trying to make the innocent person a criminal… I’m suggesting that it’s a myth that a gun gives a person power but rather makes them vulnerable in the big picture.
People have died by taser. 🤷
 
I’m tired of hearing about how gun owners are not skilled with guns. I’ll bet you a lot of sharpshooter hunters could give any PD on this planet a run for their money.
That this fact would in any way please or satisfy you is beyond comprehension. Yes, people who are skilled with guns are in fact giving PDs and the rest of society a run for their money every day, and that is precisely the problem.
 
George was found not guilty. Because somebody misuses a gun you think nobody should own one. What about people who misuse cars? Pittsburgh just had a mass stabbing at a high school, should we outlaw kitchen knives?
Good Evening Tarrat:

-Cars and kitchen knives also have very practical and peaceful applications. Their primary intent is not known to be aggressive.

-On the other hand, if no one ever had the intent to kill anyone, guns would never have been invented, so their primary purpose is neither peaceful, and only purposeful if you plan to shoot something or someone.

-Ultimately, guns were not devised as a tool, or for transportation like kitchen knives and cars. They were created to be weapons.

-And before we mention the peaceful pursuit of simple target practice as a sport, I might point out that guns weren’t invented as a toy either. They were invented to kill things. Besides, nowadays, you can do target practice on a PlayStation II if you just have to have the thrill.
 
He also told people to go sell their cloak and buy a sword (1st century version of the gun). :rolleyes:
Yes, I bet Jesus was a veritable 4th Musketeer. I can still see Him twirling his moustache and demanding satisfaction from Pilot.
 
Good Evening Jack: I love word games! So, your search is over, because I have a reply to yours:

“If guns were outlawed, only outlaws would accidentally shoot their kids, or get their faces blown off playing with them.”

And since we’re doing plays on words, I might add: That’s a fact Jack.

Thanks,
Gary
You do realize that guns are used for defensive purposes, right? The number of DGU (defensive gun uses) range up to 2.5 million times per year (according to Gary Kleck, Criminology professor at Florida State), and as low as 100,000 times per year (sorry, its been a while since I read the source). Either way, still outnumbers the number of murders due to guns.
 
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