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HappyCatholic01
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1)The majority of Americans don’t believe is mass banning of firearms.Can the pro-gun lobby refute any of these myths? Why don’t they?
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Robert_Sock
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Does God help those who feel the need to have a gun, or are you taking that passage of scripture out of context? A few days ago I was experiencing nausea and vomiting, very sick and unable to help myself, but God got me through it all (yes, I’m intentionally taking it out of context to make a point).
Old saying: “God helps those who help themselves.”
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HappyCatholic01
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Can we also assume you don’t wear seat belts, lock your doors, or use encryption on your wireless signal?Better to pray to God for protection.
Matthew 26:52 RSV
Then Jesus said to him, "Put your sword back into its place; for all who take the sword will perish by the sword.
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Zoltan_Cobalt
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From the Douay-Rheims Bible
I find this “pro-gun” passage by Luke to be very interesting. I know our Lord was speaking of swords but the relationship of Luke 22 (.22 caliber) and vs. 38 (.38 Special) with modern firearms is remarkable.
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tabycat
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But cops are not on duty 24/7 and they are human beings. OBTW, how do you know that a teacher who is a retired police officer is untrained???There’s a big difference from being a teacher and a peace officer. Due to statistics, the specially trained officers are unlikely to flip-out while on duty, but the untrained teacher is more susceptible…
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Angel_Bradford
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I saw nothing in this article that changes my mind.
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Inego_de_Loyola
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Robert, Suicidal tenancies are a serious matter. Just because you havn’t gone through with it yet doesn’t mean you won’t. I agree you shouldn’t have a gun, but you should also have as much help as you can get. It only takes a moment of weakness to coincide with an opportunity. Out of love for you and for Christ in you I urge you to look around and see what facilities are available to help you. I have a prayer which I pray daily which I hope will be of some help:Counterpoint: I have been suicidal most of my life, but I have never gone through with it because I never had a gun. Sure, I could have chosen another method, which I have often considered, but by the time the planning was done, the suicidal thoughts would always subside. Again, those have a genuine desire to harm society shroud definitely be locked up. Those with self-inflictive harm, need treatment, but not necessarily be institutionalized.
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Dear Lord, I beg of thee to drive out from this place and from our hearts all of the wickedness, snares, malice, and agents of the evil one, and to set thy holy angels to dwell herein to keep us in peace. Send down upon us O Lord thy holy spirit to bear unto us his sevenfold gifts and to bear forth in us his twelvefold fruits, to increase in us O lord thy Virtues of Faith, Hope and Charity, and to enlighten and enliven us as we seek to live the Gospel. I ask this through Jesus Christ, thy only son, our lord amen.
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Zoltan_Cobalt
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Ooops. I must have missed that.This was already discussed earlier.
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If that point was already brought up…why is there still discussion going on???
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Inego_de_Loyola
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Because they respectfully disagree with Jesus.
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tabycat
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Please reread what I posted. I did NOT say it was scripture, I posted that it was an OLD SAYING. As an old saying, how was I taking it out of context?Does God help those who feel the need to have a gun, or are you taking that passage of scripture out of context? A few days ago I was experiencing nausea and vomiting, very sick and unable to help myself, but God got me through it all (yes, I’m intentionally taking it out of context to make a point).
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I am sorry that you were ill, but did you do nothing (that includes praying to God to help you)?
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Robert_Sock
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Thank you so much for your concern! I have a psychiatrist who I see regularly. I have also been hospitalized several times, but what a joke! No therapy for the suicidal thoughts whatsoever! They just changed my meds and sent me home.
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LilyM
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No, they respectfully disagree with what others (possibly wrongly) think He meant. Which they have every right to do.Because they respectfully disagree with Jesus.
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TARRAT
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Because the status quo is not good enough for you. You push harder on that slippery slope.
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Ridgerunner
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This is really a shame. I remember years ago that if a person had a serious psych issue, he/she could get hospitalized voluntarily for an extended period of time while the psychiatrists adjusted the meds to what fit the individual, and the psychologists worked on getting their thought patterns straightened out.Thank you so much for your concern! I have a psychiatrist who I see regularly. I have also been hospitalized several times, but what a joke! No therapy for the suicidal thoughts whatsoever! They just changed my meds and sent me home.
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A psychologist whom I much admired, and who treated a friend of mine, once told me that even though one might receive the right meds for the condition, he/she has, over time, developed coping strategies that are “right” in a sense for an ill person, even though often unsuccessful, but that are not “right” for a well person. It was getting those strategies adjusted to 'being well" that was the psychologist’s role in the treatment.
Made sense to me, as did the prolonged stay where they could tweak the meds to get it just right.
But I don’t think that is at all common anymore.
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Gary_Sheldrake
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Good Evening Deus Tecum: I simply observe behaviors and do the math. There are patterns to behavior.
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lerapt78
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A law isn’t unjust simply because it discriminates against certain citizens. When discrimination occurs (and I should use the term “positive discrimination”, because the word itself generally carries a negative connotation), it’s out of public concern, and usually takes mental status into consideration.
With regard to the mentally ill: I don’t know that they aren’t allowed to own guns simply because of their mental state. People who suffer from depression, for example, may be able to purchase guns. I admit, I’m not familiar with how the law works in regard to this, and it may be that doctor-patient privilege is only broken if the professional decides that the patient is a danger to himself/herself or others. If the patient is not reported to authorities, his mental state would not necessarily preclude his ability or right to purchase a gun. I am unaware, for example, of people who have prescriptions for anti-depressants ending up on a government “no guns allowed” list unless they have shown themselves to be a danger to others.
I imagine that the people who are banned from purchasing guns due to a mental illness already have some sort of record wherein they have already committed a misdemeanor/felony. Or perhaps because they no longer possess the ability to think critically (such as with one who has Alzheimer’s disease in which a POA can supersede his ability to make a personal choice). Thus, it’s not necessarily the mental state *alone *that impedes upon their rights, but the fact that the mental state contributed to a history or pattern of violence/assault/intimidation/self-harm, etc.
Prisoners lose many of their rights once they are convicted. This is an example of positive discrimination, but it is not necessarily unfair.
The reason children do not have the right to purchase guns is self-explanatory, I would think. They are not cognitively developed enough to assume adult responsibilities. While of course there are exceptions, the fact that their brains (including the frontal lobes, limbic system, etc) are not fully developed is sufficient generalization to prohibit them from enjoying certain rights that are available to adults. It’s the same reason we don’t allow children to sign legal contracts, operate vehicles, etc. It’s precisely *because *children are vulnerable that their care is entrusted to an adult guardian.
As for tourists. . . . I really can’t think of a reason why they *should *be entitled to any of the rights that citizens have.
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Robert_Sock
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Oops, sorry.Please reread what I posted. I did NOT say it was scripture, I posted that it was an OLD SAYING. As an old saying, how was I taking it out of context?
I am sorry that you were ill, but did you do nothing (that includes praying to God to help you)?
Yes, it brought me to my knees, and I did pray! A lot of soul searching.
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LongingSoul
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The point I was making goes to question of rights and equality within the community overall. How is the ‘common good’ served by laws. When the government determines policy, it should consider how the goal of that policy affects each individual persons rights and safety. Rich, poor, strong, weak, healthy, sickly. Say we are speaking health care. The ideal would be to have a system that gives all people access to health care if they need it. Health care is a basic human right. We don’t say to people only those who are responsible with their health should have access to healthcare. We recognise that there are many conditions genetic (and self imposed within reason) that are worthy of treating regardless of the a persons private capacities.
Likewise, personal safety. Everyone should have equal access to means for safety within governmental policy. If you are saying put a gun into the hands of qualifying people in order that they can feel and be safe, but let those who don’t qualify take care of themselves, that is a fundamentally unfair system. It means far more guns in the community to be turned on innocent people making far greater danger for the weak and vulnerable than if no one was allowed guns. It is a fact that can’t be denied that more guns means more violent gun crimes by virtue of the availability of guns. The strong get stronger the weak get weaker by such a philosophy.
Why should we tourists be vulnerable to your criminals with guns? * You *are safe walking down the street with your concealed weapons but what about the tourists who are left to throw their luggage at the gunman or die? Fair. Not at all. Mind you if I did come to the US, I’d bring a ‘that’s not a knife. This is a knife’ with me.As for tourists. . . . I really can’t think of a reason why they *should *be entitled to any of the rights that citizens have.
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Deus_tecum
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Ah, so you do sort of fit the “Fox and the Grapes” parable.Counterpoint: I have been suicidal most of my life, but I have never gone through with it because I never had a gun. Sure, I could have chosen another method, which I have often considered, but by the time the planning was done, the suicidal thoughts would always subside. Again, those have a genuine desire to harm society shroud definitely be locked up. Those with self-inflictive harm, need treatment, but not necessarily be institutionalized.
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