10 Pro-Gun Myths, Shot Down

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IRobert - my apologies if we took your thread off track for a few posts. It is very difficult for me to stand by and let someone equate serving our country to “sucking off the government teat” without being called out for it.

But back to your topic Robert - I believe the last question was for you…What specificity would you agree is needed for your “screening”? Or, asked another way, what percentage of innocent Americans would you remove their constitutional rights from??
I’m not sure how the ‘screening’ would work, and if screening proved to difficult, then I’m anti-gun and I would then recommend strict gun control.

Of course I would expect false positives with this type of screening, and innocent people would have to suffer the consequences, but that would be the price of such an approach.

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I’m not sure how the ‘screening’ would work, and if screening proved to difficult, then I’m anti-gun and I would then recommend strict gun control.

Of course I would expect false positives with this type of screening, and innocent people would have to suffer the consequences, but that would be the price of such an approach.

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Do you also approve of innocent people being jailed? False positives will cause that.
 
Do you also approve of innocent people being jailed? False positives will cause that.
No, but I still contend that we need to get the guns out of the hands of people in the household who express strong anger, hatred, rage or have a history of at least a moderate mental illness, such as those who are more likely to commit suicide. Again, I would treat the ownership of guns as a privilege, not a right. I would support strict gun control if screening proves too complex or is ineffective.

It has been clear in this thread that gun ownership often leads to suicides, homicides and accidental shootings of innocent people within the household. Gun ownership should be considered a privilege, not a right.

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And when humankind spends a lot of time manufacturing and distributing ways in which do to evil, we are in fact creating a mindset of pervasive violence rather than directing the thoughts and energy of ourselves, our children and our communities in the area of positive and constructive endeavors. Weapons are just enablers in societies with a proclivity to violence. If violence is the mindset you create, and it’s attending tools are the industry of societies, it is unrealistic to expect an outcome that is non-violent.

You are indeed correct about the mental health test for using a computer. How often it is that the view of the world we take on is simply a projection of what lies within. That said, you may want to delve a bit into how you came across that idea.
So Gary go to the “Anti-abortion suction apparatus” and wail against the manufacturing and distributing that producut which is a way to do evil. Let’s have a little consistency here.
 
Do you care to elaborate?

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Robert

It is clear suction apparatus”ownership leads to homicides. It is also clear that you are against that which leads to among other evils, homicides. Please join me on the “Anti-abortion suction apparatus” thread and argue your heart out against the apparatus. I notice that you have a beating heart at the end of your posts. One of those is stopped each time the apparatus is used. How about it?

Annie
 
Do you care to elaborate?

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No elaboration should be necessary. But for you…
Originally Posted by Robert Sock View Post
It has been clear in this thread that gun ownership often leads to suicides, homicides and accidental shootings of innocent people within the household.
That false point has been brought up countless times in this thread and has been debunked every time. The notion that gun ownership often leads to suicides, homicides and accidental shootings of innocent people within the household, is based on “studies” that did not include pertinent data.

This is why your threads grow old and frustrating. You post a premise or some wild conjecture. Forum members provide logical, reasonable and objective reasons against it…and you continue to drag it on…

Robert! Your 10 Pro gun myths ARE NOT SHOT DOWN.

In short, you have been proven wrong.

Accept it and close the thread.
 
This is why your threads grow old and frustrating. You post a premise or some wild conjecture. Forum members provide logical, reasonable and objective reasons against it…and you continue to drag it on…

Robert! Your 10 Pro gun myths ARE NOT SHOT DOWN.

In short, you have been proven wrong.

Accept it and close the thread.
Give it up. Dealing with persons like this is like dealing with dedicated cult members. They are so inculcated with their own internal logic and world view that it is impossible for them to see anything else. Not saying that he is a cult member, only that he sounds like one. I have compassion for him due to his issues, but he and others like him are too obtuse about this topic to understand why they should have such a hard time convincing the rest of us.
 
Give it up. Dealing with persons like this is like dealing with dedicated cult members. They are so inculcated with their own internal logic and world view that it is impossible for them to see anything else. Not saying that he is a cult member, only that he sounds like one. I have compassion for him due to his issues, but he and others like him are too obtuse about this topic to understand why they should have such a hard time convincing the rest of us.
I can’t give it up…I like Robert.

I am dedicating considerable computer time to helping him overcome his “issues”.

It has become my goal to change his way of thinking…or as Strother Martin put it, in Cool Hand Luke: “You’re gonna get your mind right–and I mean right”
 
No elaboration should be necessary. But for you…

That false point has been brought up countless times in this thread and has been debunked every time. The notion that gun ownership often leads to suicides, homicides and accidental shootings of innocent people within the household, is based on “studies” that did not include pertinent data.

This is why your threads grow old and frustrating. You post a premise or some wild conjecture. Forum members provide logical, reasonable and objective reasons against it…and you continue to drag it on…

Robert! Your 10 Pro gun myths ARE NOT SHOT DOWN.

In short, you have been proven wrong.

Accept it and close the thread.
The study that I presented uses a national sample of respondents; what’s wrong with it? Please elaborate.

I presented data from several sources. Are they all wrong? If so, I would say that you’re experiencing unrealistic “paranoia.” Do you believe that there is some kind of a conspiracy going on with all the researchers? Can you point be in the direction of any study that did not find that having a gun resulted in more suicides, homicides and accidental shooting within one’s own household?

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The study that I presented uses a national sample of respondents; what’s wrong with it? Please elaborate.

I presented data from several sources. Are they all wrong? If so, I would say that you’re experiencing unrealistic “paranoia.” Do you believe that there is some kind of a conspiracy going on with all the researchers? Can you point be in the direction of any study that did not find that having a gun resulted in more suicides, homicides and accidental shooting within one’s own household?

LOVE! ❤️
Okay Robert, one more time you are invited to prove that you are against homicide by joining me on the thread “Anti-abortion suction apparatus”.
 
“Still, a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest.”
-Simon and Garfunkel

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Robert, as the rest of the world looks on in shock and wonder at the gun tottin’ massacre ridden madness of the US, we see you as a man ahead of your time. Good for you. Keep the faith. 👍
 
From jc4751:I didn’t really intend to respond to you in this thread, because you seem disingenuous about your background and experiences, but this sort of thinking is emblematic of many gun-banners in general and should be addressed.
Good Afternoon jc4751: My experiences have given me a basis from which to judge the issue for myself. As for being disingenuous, I find that rather curious, especially when considering that I’m about the only person on this thread who seems to even use their real name.
Restating –
  1. You say that guns cause people to become violent (a nod to Homer – “The blade itself incites to deeds of violence”).
Answer to 1: I think I have suggested that they are an enabler to violence.
  1. You suggest that guns are created because people are violent.
Answer to 2: I can’t imagine that they were invented or manufactured because people are entirely peaceful.

Confluence of 1 and 2: People have the inbuilt ability to demonstrate constructive as well as a wide assortment of behaviors, which also include aggression and violence. Guns are not an epiphenomenon of the former. Their creation reflects a genius for the latter. Their manufacture and distribution are enablers for the latter.
This is obviously a contradiction. Do we decide to build a house because we need shelter or do we decide to live in a house because it’s there?
I don’t think it’s a matter of either/or. I think we both build houses for shelter and live in the ones that are there. Where is the contradiction?
Clearly, the second case is the issue here, which indicates that the problem lies with violent impulses, rather than the means with which to do violence.
I would offer that violent impulses don’t need a ready-to-use outlet.
Much like the drug war fails to address the underlying social conditions which cause the desire to consume harmful drugs in the first place (and engage in the drug trade itself), attempts to ban weapons fail to address the underlying social conditions that create violence in modern society.
I think this intimates that all laws are useless. Would you make the same statement about having abortion laws, or should we just leave that as legal?

Thank You,
Gary
I would suggest reading this article - keepandbeararms.com/information/tao.asp - which was written by a pro-gun “new age” sort. (given you say you’re into yoga, perhaps some of the same thinking and language might be familiar and useful).
I will do that.
 
It is funny how liberal elitists think they are “evolved” to the point of not needing firearms…yet the liberal elitists in America often have armed guards protecting them from the bad guys.

Maybe Gary has “evolved” like Hillary Clinton has “evolved” as shown here: newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/10/16/flashback-2008-hillary-clinton-exposed-lying-about-being-under-sniper.

Or, maybe like John Kerry putting himself in for a Purple Heart for a scratch that required a topical cream and a band-aid…and then coming back to the states and spending the next 10 years denigrating the troops and lying about the “atrocities” that he “personally took part in”.

Robert - my apologies if we took your thread off track for a few posts. It is very difficult for me to stand by and let someone equate serving our country to “sucking off the government teat” without being called out for it.

But back to your topic Robert - I believe the last question was for you…What specificity would you agree is needed for your “screening”? Or, asked another way, what percentage of innocent Americans would you remove their constitutional rights from??
Are you two old ladies still talking ***about ***me rather than to me?
 
Boatswain2PA;11930244 It is funny how liberal elitists think they are “evolved” to the point of not needing firearms…yet the liberal elitists in America often have armed guards protecting them from the bad guys.
Good Evening Boatswain: That’s rather interesting. Which active anti-gun activists have armed guards? I would agree that’s rather curious, but you would have to name them.
Or, maybe like John Kerry putting himself in for a Purple Heart for a scratch that required a topical cream and a band-aid…and then coming back to the states and spending the next 10 years denigrating the troops and lying about the “atrocities” that he “personally took part in”.
I thought you respected military service and combat duty.
Robert - my apologies if we took your thread off track for a few posts. It is very difficult for me to stand by and let someone equate serving our country to “sucking off the government teat” without being called out for it.
Harder than throwing dispersions at a decorated war veteran? Whether or not you like the guy, he has the Navy Cross, served in combat and is the standing Chief Diplomatic Officer of the nation whose government you have claimed to have sworn to defend. You are certainly one of the most mix bag of dichotomies I have ever met, Mr. Boatswain.
But back to your topic Robert - I believe the last question was for you…What specificity would you agree is needed for your “screening”? Or, asked another way, what percentage of innocent Americans would you remove their constitutional rights from?
The question wasn’t for me, but I’ll weigh in. I think it would be wise to screen anyone who wants to own a device designed for killing people. If you’re playing with a full deck, this shouldn’t be too frightening a prospect. For instance, would you screen someone who wanted to buy Teflon bullets or a rocket launcher? Where would you draw the line, and if there are no lines, have you considered Afghanistan as a residence?

Thank you,
Gary
 
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