10 reasons why liberal Catholicism is doomed

[At_Trent]

I feel the same way…I have nothing against people who choose EF Masses…they are our Catholic breathern are they not. I just don’t like when someone who does tries to tell me I don’t believe in the real presence because I go to the OF. I think there are a lot of us here who really do not hate traditionalist…who may just really not know enough about them. These people just may not post…or…traditionalist may have been “burned” enough that they immediately think everyone feels like that. We don’t. I for one love my entire Catholic family!

Thanks, I know all don’t despise us. The bickering has gone on so long, who knows who started what

I don’t reject OF, I may attend one tomorrow if I don’t make the early morning EF. I’m very fortunate to have both the EF and a reverent OF to attend here.

Deo Gratias

 

[At_Trent]

Very good

Thanks, but I feel I killed the thread lol.

 

[JChapel]

Thanks, but I feel I killed the thread lol.

No, it just lost its momentum. It happens to the best of us, and it’s usually just because there isn’t anything left to comment on or debate against.

 

[FAB]

And what makes you think I don’t see good changes? All you are is attacking me, and no real argument. I like what Vatican II implemented believe it or not, it’s those who used it to make the Church into their own experimental arena that I dislike! What success? If they did have success the Church wouldn’t have to do a new translation for the English, she wouldn’t have sent document after document of how to serve the mass and telling people that we have our place in the Church and not to take up roles we have not been called to. What did I hit a nerve with you? All those orders and societies are really loosing vocations, yet those that seem more traditional and faithful to the magisterium, or so filled that they need to construct new housing building or turn people away. So please spare the attacks.

Not an attack, just an observation. I have read enough of you post to see that you have very little use for the Second Vatican Council. You split hairs when you try to say you don’t like those who “experimented” with it.
The revised translation is only for English, it bring it more in line with other laguages around the world. There are not individuals taking up roles in the Church that were not called for in the documents.
You have little proof that more traditional orders are the only one gaining members. All are going through changes. We should be praying for growth in all of them

 

[JReducation]

Not to get off topic, but is there a simple explanation for the cardinalatial zuchettos those girls are wearing in that photo (“Girls sing at a Tridentine Mass celebrated last year by Bishop William Murphy of Rockville Centre, N.Y.”)? Is the red zuchetto a traditional headcovering of some sort for women? When I saw the picture at NCR I thought for a second that it was some liberal girlcardinal thing that Mahoney was responsible for, then I read the caption.

Actually that is a very old tradition that was instituted by Franciscans in the 1300s for Confirmation. It is the traditional garb for confirmed women. It consists of a white tunic with a red collar and a red skull cap. The Franciscans instituted it beause the two colors go together: white for Baptism and red for Confirmation. They were the liturgical colors for the two sacraments, back then. The tradtiion was brought to the Caifornia missions by the Franciscans. It was continued in some dioceses around the country until the 1960s. I remember seeing it in VA, where I grew up. The men wore the colors inverted.

The friars learned the tradition from the Jews when they traveled on mission to Palestine and saw the Bar Mitzvah. During the 1300s, young Palestinian girls did not wear veils. The veil was the garment of the married woman. The young girls wore cowls. The friars brought the tradition to their missioins in Europe and later to the Americas. The garment was usually worn only for the celebration of Confirmation by the confirmandi. It was gradually redesigned until it looked like a choir robe or graduation robe. Originally, it was a tunic with a skull cap. It was a little bigger than the one in the picture. The one in the picture is the one that I saw in our Franciscan parish in the 1950s and 60s.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

 

[MarkThompson]

I always learn something from you, Brother! Thanks!