10 Things Catholics should know about USCCB Conference

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At the meeting, Cardinal Blase Cupich of Chicago attempted to insert into the letter a paragraph from Pope Francis’ encyclical “Gaudete et Exsultate.”

In the paragraph, the pope criticized the “ideological error” of believing that “the only thing that counts is one particular ethical issue or cause that they themselves defend.”

“Our defense of innocent unborn, for example, needs to be clear, firm and passionate,” continued the pope. “ Equally sacred, however, are the lives of the poor, those already born, the destitute, the abandoned and the underprivileged, the vulnerable infirm and elderly exposed to covert euthanasia, the victims of human trafficking, new forms of slavery, and every form of rejection. ”

The drafting committee, chaired by Gomez, accepted the “equally sacred” language, but it refused to include the entire 183-word paragraph with its criticism of ideological error. The drafters said they were trying to keep the letter short. Cupich responded that the paragraph expressed the magisterial teaching of Pope Francis in a succinct way.

The bishops applauded Chaput’s response and then excluded the pope’s paragraph by a vote of 143-69.
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EQUALLY SACRED, HOWEVER ARE
  1. the lives of the poor,
  2. those already born,
  3. the destitute,
  4. the abandoned
  5. the underprivileged,
  6. the vulnerable infirm
  7. elderly exposed to covert euthanasia,
  8. the victims of human trafficking,
  9. new forms of slavery,
  10. every form of rejection
The full Paragraph
  1. The other harmful ideological error is found in those who find suspect the social engagement of others, seeing it as superficial, worldly, secular, materialist, communist or populist. Or they relativize it, as if there are other more important matters, or the only thing that counts is one particular ethical issue or cause that they themselves defend. Our defence of the innocent unborn, for example, needs to be clear, firm and passionate, for at stake is the dignity of a human life, which is always sacred and demands love for each person, regardless of his or her stage of development. Equally sacred, however, are the lives of the poor, those already born, the destitute, the abandoned and the underprivileged, the vulnerable infirm and elderly exposed to covert euthanasia, the victims of human trafficking, new forms of slavery, and every form of rejection.[84] We cannot uphold an ideal of holiness that would ignore injustice in a world where some revel, spend with abandon and live only for the latest consumer goods, even as others look on from afar, living their entire lives in abject poverty.
 
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Oh so the bishops are at fault now? But I thought they were so correct on other issues?
 
Yawn.

I’m just tired of seeing the bishops brought out when it’s a matter of immigration or the death penalty or any number of issues that agree with the left.

But they oppose abortion and see it as the most preeminent issue right now in this society where they are based? They’re going against the Pope and the laity have the right to oppose them!

Either accept their line or don’t. Don’t pick and choose.
 
So now we have the laity sitting in judgement on the bishops conferences when it comes to teaching on matters of morality. Lovely.
 
"143 Bishops dissented against the Pope even when it was brought to their attention.

69 Bishops gave their loyal support to the Pope and the Magisterium."

Yeah just pointing things out. That’s all.
 
RidgeSprinter said:
Are you a little bit curious how your Bishop voted?

What if you find out he was one of the 69?
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So in other words if mine voted with the 69 I should obey him, whereas if he didn’t I shouldn’t? Are you encouraging disobedience to one’s bishop?
 
An article from a disobedient paper that has been advised to remove the word ‘Catholic’ from their paper many times.
 
November 2019. Old news. What’s the point of rehashing this now?
 
StudentMI said:
You tellingly didn’t answer my question as to whether you’re even Catholic.
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I am Catholic.

Catholic Teaching only works if the Bishops are in full Unity with the Holy See.
2/3 votes is not Full Unity nor is it a Conspiracy Theory.
 
RidgeSprinter said:
Catholic Teaching only works if the Bishops are in full Unity with the Holy See.
2/3 votes is not Full Unity nor is it a Conspiracy Theory.
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You do realize the following right?

Catholic social teaching doesn’t advocate a specific system. It advances principles that are to be applied by bishops with knowledge of local conditions.
 
RidgeSprinter said:
And the Bishops must be in Unity and Strong Solidarity with Pope and the Magisterium.
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You keep saying this. I don’t think it means what you think it means.

For instance you’re basically saying Chaput is being disobedient to the Pope which is a serious charge that no responsible Church authority has claimed. Yet you claim the right to say such? Really, man?
 
Wowowow!

After reading that fish wrap article, I really feel that my informed conscience is telling me to vote for Trump.
 
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Cruciferi said:
After reading that article I really feel that my informed conscience is telling me to vote for Trump.
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And what does this tell you?
101. The other harmful ideological error is found in those who find suspect the social engagement of others, seeing it as superficial, worldly, secular, materialist, communist or populist. Or they relativize it, as if there are other more important matters, or the only thing that counts is one particular ethical issue or cause that they themselves defend. Our defence of the innocent unborn, for example, needs to be clear, firm and passionate, for at stake is the dignity of a human life, which is always sacred and demands love for each person, regardless of his or her stage of development. Equally sacred, however, are the lives of the poor, those already born, the destitute, the abandoned and the underprivileged, the vulnerable infirm and elderly exposed to covert euthanasia, the victims of human trafficking, new forms of slavery, and every form of rejection.[84] We cannot uphold an ideal of holiness that would ignore injustice in a world where some revel, spend with abandon and live only for the latest consumer goods, even as others look on from afar, living their entire lives in abject poverty.
 
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I’m out of this thread. No use in this discussion. You’re judging the obedience of bishops.
 
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