100 Million Missing Europeans?

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November 30, 2004

Population to fall 100m in 50 years
From Rory Watson in Brussels
IN 50 years there will be almost 100 million fewer people living in Europe, according to a United Nations report.

The UN’s latest study on international migration released yesterday predicts that even if Europe gains an average of 600,000 immigrants a year, its population will fall by 96 million by 2050. Without the new arrivals, the decline would be even more spectacular: 139 million. Already immigration into Europe is partly helping to offset the impact of declining birth rates. The continent’s population would have shrunk by over four million in the final five years of the past century if it were not for the latest wave of immigrants.

In the late 1990s, immigration contributed to at least three-quarters of population growth in Austria, Denmark, Greece, Italy, Luxembourg, Spain and Switzerland. During the past decade, the number of foreigners living in Finland, Ireland, Italy, Portugal and Spain has doubled. However, the UN reports that while immigration can offset many of the consequences of ageing populations and labour shortages, it will not provide salvation for struggling pension programmes.

It gives warning that immigration rates would have to expand “at virtually impossible rates” if there were to be enough people of working age able to finance childhood and retirement schemes. As an example, it points to France which is projected to receive 3.75 million migrants over the next 50 years, but would need to accept 90 million to achieve a satisfactory budgetary ratio between those in and out of work.

Recent years have seen North America overtake Europe as the preferred destination for people looking to start a new life outside their native country. Between 1960 and 2000, the foreign-born population in the US more than tripled from 10 million to 35 million, with a further 8 million in Canada. Whereas four decades ago, six out of every 100 people in North America was an international migrant, the figure has now climbed to 13 per cent.
Europe still had a significant increase in migrants during the same period, up from 14 million to 33 million, raising their proportion of the total population from 3.3 per cent to 6.4 per cent. For statistical purposes, the UN does not count Belarus, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, the Russian Federation and Ukraine as part of Europe.

The report also highlights a change in the pattern of international migration. Whereas 40 years ago, 58 per cent of all migrants had moved to other developing countries as they fled from famine, drought and war, by the end of the century, they number just 37 per cent, while 46 per cent are rebuilding their lives in the developed world. The most recent figures reveal that 175 million people, equivalent to one in every 35 persons on Earth, are living outside the country of their birth.

Emigration can mean a brain drain for developing countries. Emigrants from Africa have triple the schooling of those staying at home. But this is partly offset by the funds that they send home. Remittances to developing countries now total at least $79 billion (£41 billion) and 70 per cent of foreign direct investment in China originates in the Chinese diaspora.

timesonline.co.uk/article/0,3-1381238,00.html
 
This is a grave matter for a number of reasons not least of which is that the immigration is necessarily non-western and in large part Islamic. If you are hoping to show your children the monuments of our crumbling civilization, I would do it before thet are torn down or converted to mosques.

America may be the last stand of the West, though our Total Fertility Rate barely hovers at replacement level. If you view it terms of marital fertility or fertility among people of European decent, the figures are much lower.

Marriage in America is “replacing itself”, nor is Eurpean America.

Chris C.
 
As a genealogist, I have studied quite a bit about Ireland and observed how its population dropped from over 8,000,000 in 1841 to about 3,500,000 in 1971. The “potato” famine was the beginning of it, but ocean liners and trips to England handled the rest. And it had devastating effects upon subsequent generations of the Irish. Each year, there were fewer jobs available. They had to leave. 😦

It is quite surprising that scholars and business leaders in Europe are not clamoring for larger families. Their tax bases and their markets will be shrinking. There will be fewer to pay for public improvements and fewer to purchase products, so there will be no incentive to making capital investments.

Obviously, for those scholars and business leaders, having 1.1 children per family and an income devoted to pleasure are more important priorities than preserving Europe, its history, its culture and its industry. :rolleyes:

Somebody bought “London Bridge” about 25 years ago and moved it to Arizona. There might be more than a few who would make bids for the “Leaning Tower of Pisa.” 😃 And they won’t necessarily be living in the U.S. More likely, they will be in Shanghai, Bombay, Nairobi or Brasilia!

The U.S. native-born population is decreasing, also. But our “politically correct” political and business leaders are adjusting for it by refusing to enforce immigration laws. Cheap labor and larger markets are too important to be sacrificed at the hands of Border Patrol agents.
 
All fine points Ray to which I will add that governments that provide social security and other types of transfers are headed for a train wreck when there aren’t enough young people to support the elderly. The System should be abolished, but barring that, Social Security should be increased to aged parents based on the number of children they had.

Chris C.
 
Do we really need more people in the world? Is overpopulation a good thing?
 
I am glad that I got to see most of Italy when I studied there 3 years ago. I honestly fear that by the time I could afford to go back there, it will be a Muslim country and all those beautiful churches and works of art will be either destroyed or turned into mosques. The really ironic thing is that most European governments offer huge socialist benefits for people to have children. Women are offered maternity leave packages us American gals could only dream of. It should be easy to have kids in Europe. But the problem is more than material - it’s spiritual. Too many Europeans are very nihilistic and just don’t care about anything, especially bringing a child into this world. That was the impression I got from the Italians my age (23) when I was over there. Frankly I’m glad most of them won’t breed because they were such immature, godless, promiscuous, selfish people. It is no tragedy that their type is dying out. What is scary, though, is that they are being replaced by Muslims, many of whom are quite extreme and violent.
 
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sbcoral:
Do we really need more people in the world? Is overpopulation a good thing?
I hope you’re not serious. That’s not a Catholic response, but a liberal one, and is one of the reasons Catholic and liberal aren’t compatible. I wonder if you read the original post; Europe’s problem is UNDERpopulation. Perhaps if you did a study of the situation, you’d come to understand.
 
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sbcoral:
Do we really need more people in the world? Is overpopulation a good thing?
We need more of us. The Muslims are not moderating their population, in fact they are taking all the measures they can to maximize it worldwide. The Population Bomb business was a fraud, bad science, and it really hacks me off because my generation including me took it SO seriously! We felt “guilty” about having kids! Can you believe! We will pay for this idiocy. There’s nothing wrong with trying to perpetuate your own civilization rather than annihilating it. (And when you think about it, it’s really outrageous that we go around the world promoting birth control and abortion for other peoples because we’re so sure there’s too many of them. How racist is that?)

And it just goes to show you, the Church was right about EVERYTHING! 👍
 
Spain, my country has 1,2 sons for couple, in USA 2,1 sons and my neighbour Morocco grows up 700 thousand people per year, but we are going to have muslim and southamerican immigration, greetings
 
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Franze:
Spain, my country has 1,2 sons for couple, in USA 2,1 sons and my neighbour Morocco grows up 700 thousand people per year, but we are going to have muslim and southamerican immigration, greetings
Hi there - saw a couple of your earlier posts but they “shifted away” so fast I don’t think any one of us got a change to welcome you to the forum

Are you in Spain now -?
 
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sbcoral:
Do we really need more people in the world? Is overpopulation a good thing?
We need better governments in the world, not fewer people. There is plenty of room, plenty of resources, plenty of goodwill.

Two thoughts:
  1. I read somewhere that ALL the people of the world, divided in “families” of four could live in modest houses and ALL could fit in the state of Texas.
  2. in 1940, there were approximately 40 workers funding social secuity for every 1 retiree recieving a check. Today, it is only 3:1. In another 5-10 years, when the boomers retire??? :eek:
 
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jlw:
We need better governments in the world, not fewer people. There is plenty of room, plenty of resources, plenty of goodwill.

Two thoughts:
  1. I read somewhere that ALL the people of the world, divided in “families” of four could live in modest houses and ALL could fit in the state of Texas.
  2. in 1940, there were approximately 40 workers funding social secuity for every 1 retiree recieving a check. Today, it is only 3:1. In another 5-10 years, when the boomers retire??? :eek:
Me mum used to say that she never met anyone who complained about overpopulation who was volunteering to exit so that “others miight live” - to her that said it all. She was once asked as she had a passel of her brothers and sisters in tow, whether she believed in abortion. She responded with “only if it’s retroactive”. The lady just gasped and me mum just went along herding the kids.
 
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HagiaSophia:
Me mum used to say that she never met anyone who complained about overpopulation who was volunteering to exit so that “others miight live” - to her that said it all. She was once asked as she had a passel of her brothers and sisters in tow, whether she believed in abortion. She responded with “only if it’s retroactive”. The lady just gasped and me mum just went along herding the kids.
Did you ever see the original Cheaper by the Dozen??

us.imdb.com/title/tt0042327/

There’s a GREAT scene where a lady from Planned Parenthood (remember this is set in the early century) comes to the house and is horribly dismayed at the joy of the mother and father with their enooooourmous family. It was great!
 
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jlw:
Did you ever see the original Cheaper by the Dozen??

us.imdb.com/title/tt0042327/

There’s a GREAT scene where a lady from Planned Parenthood (remember this is set in the early century) comes to the house and is horribly dismayed at the joy of the mother and father with their enooooourmous family. It was great!
The great line I remember from that film was the idiot in the street who called out to the family in their car, “hey driving Noah’s ark?” And the father’s response, “we sure are and we’re looking for a jackass so hop on in!”

Needless to say me mum loved that picture - it broght back so many happy memories for her. Some of our family stories are hilarious.
 
The population bust, or “birth dearth” is in full swing.

Europe will be the first to pay the price.

It’s been said before, but I’ll say it again: Eurabia is coming.
Islam is back with a vengeance, and it won’t need a fleet to overcome Europe this time.
 
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jlw:
Did you ever see the original Cheaper by the Dozen??

us.imdb.com/title/tt0042327/

There’s a GREAT scene where a lady from Planned Parenthood (remember this is set in the early century) comes to the house and is horribly dismayed at the joy of the mother and father with their enooooourmous family. It was great!
I remember that scene. The lady was at that time from the “Birth Control League” and left the house in horror.

The recent remake was enjoyable. However, I couldn’t help but notice the subtle plug they gave to birth control in the opening scenes, with the Dad undergoing a vasectomy.
 
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JimG:
Europe will be the first to pay the price.

It’s been said before, but I’ll say it again: Eurabia is coming.
Islam is back with a vengeance, and it won’t need a fleet to overcome Europe this time.
I fear that what thou sayest is on our near horizon…miserere nobis.
 
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