101 Heresies of JPII

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Has anyone come across this one by Patrick John Pollock

“If anyone holds to one single one of these (heresies) he is not a Catholic.” - Pope Leo XIII (from Encyclical Satis Cognitum:28)

What is Heresy?
“Heresy consists in a stubborn denial of truths which have been defined an proposed by the Church as divinely revealed doctrines.” (Canon 1324-1325 of the 1917 Code of Canon Law).

What must we believe?
“By the divine and Catholic Faith, all those things must be believed which are contained in the written Word of God and in tradition, and those which are proposed by the Church, either in a solemn pronouncement or in her ordinary and universal magisterium, to be believed as divinely revealed.” (Vatican Council I, Denzinger 1792)
Who does not believe all those things taught by the Magisterium of the Church?
“Any baptized person who … obstinately denies or doubts any of the truths proposed for belief by divine and Catholic faith, is a heretic.” (C. 1325)
Can a heretic be a valid Pope of the Roman Catholic Church?
No. The Papal Bull Cum ex apostolatus officio of Pope Paul IV teaches that: if anyone was a heretic before the Papal election, he could not be a valid pope, even if he is elected unanimously by the Cardinals. Canon 188.4 (1917 Code of Canon Law) teachers that : if a cleric (pope, bishop, etc.) becomes a heretic, he loses his office without any declaration by operation of law. St. Robert Bellarmine, St. Antonius, St. Francis deSales, St. Alphonsus Liguori, and many other tehologians all teach that a heretic cannot be a pope: “If however, God were to permit a pope to become a notoriously and contumacious heretic he would by such fact cease to be pope, and the apostolic chair would be vacant.” – St. Alphonsus Liguori, Church Doctor: Verita bella Fede. Pt. iii, Ch.viii, 9-10.

JPII says:
Previous RCC says:

The Catholic Church Lacks Unity. UUS:7-10
Christian unity is the Catholic Church. Pius XI, MA:3,15.

nfants can be saved without baptism. EV:99, 3/25/1995
Infants need Baptism for salvation. St. Zosimus I, D.102.

Muslims worship the One True God. CH:141, 1994
Only Catholics can worship God. Gregory XVI, SJS

Heretical sects have an apostolic mission.LOR, 06/10/1980
The Catholic Church is the only apostolic mission. Leo XIII, SCG:35

The Holy Spirit uses sects as means of salvation. CT:32, 10/16/1979
The Holy Spirit does not give life to heretics. Leo XIII, SCG:18

We must pray with heretics for unity. UUS:21, 05/25/1995
If anyone prays with heretics, he is a heretic. St. Agatho I, SCN:XXI:635

Liberty of conscience is a right of man. LOR, 09/01/1980
Liberty of conscience is insanity. Gregory XVI, D. 1613

Heretics are Christians. LOR, 12/23/1982
Only Catholics can be Christians. Pius VI, D. 1500

Each man is united with Christ. RH:13.3, 1979
Christ is not in all men. St. Pius X, D.2103

Heretics have the Apostolic Faith. US:62, 05/25/1995
True Faith cannot be found outside the Church. Pius IX, Sqi

The list goes on in the same vein…What can we say to defend this attack?
 
Well, it looks like most of these hings are taken out of context. Simple explainations can make a huge difference.

For example, on Baptism:
If you read Catechism 1257-1261 you see that those who are catechumens killed before receiving baptism, or those who do not know Christ, but seeks truth can be saved.

Another way to combat would be to point out contradictions in Scripture as well:
PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.
vs.
JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.

or
John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
vs.
John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
 
what a simplistic comparison!

Do people think that they laity are dolts that they don’t see that this is the same tactic used by fundamentalists by citing “proof texts” that take things out of context and are purposely deceptive.

This kind of comparison is laughable!
 
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piscotikus:
Well, it looks like most of these hings are taken out of context. Simple explainations can make a huge difference.

For example, on Baptism:
If you read Catechism 1257-1261 you see that those who are catechumens killed before receiving baptism, or those who do not know Christ, but seeks truth can be saved.

Another way to combat would be to point out contradictions in Scripture as well:
PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.
vs.
JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.

or
John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
vs.
John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
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You’re not seriously suggesting there are contradictions in scripture are you? Unless of course you are illustrating how when taken out of context certain passages read alone at face value seem contradictory…
 
Yes, this trash has been posted here before. Please do a search on it. The last thread went on very long. It’s all trash and not even worth spending time on.
 
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jdnation:
You’re not seriously suggesting there are contradictions in scripture are you? Unless of course you are illustrating how when taken out of context certain passages read alone at face value seem contradictory…
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That seems to be the individual’s point.

As to the original post, I see a number of problems. The biggest is the author’s assertion that a heretic ceases to be pope based upon the statements of a number of Catholic theologians. This is problematic for two reasons. Firstly, this statement lacks 1) an infallible definition, and 2) the status of being official Church teaching. It therefore holds no weight in terms of its authority; in short, it is theological speculation.

This leads to the second problem with this assertion: theologians, Catholic and otherwise, have made thousands (if not more) theological statements over the centuries, the vast majority having been declared false, incomplete, or even heretical. For instance, Origen offered the statement that the atonement functioned by means of God tricking Satan, whom was said to possess all the souls of humanity, into exchanging these souls in exchange for Christ (the trick being in that God raised Christ from the dead, freeing even Him from Satan). This idea is of course far from correct, and even contains some rather large errors (for instance, the concept that Satan owned the rights to our souls). The fact that an item was taught by a theologian does not in any way indicate that it is true. Clearly, this author is a sedevacantist whom wishes to use this theologian to prove his belief.

In any case, the various “heresies” are indeed taken out of context or otherwise twisted. The very first one serves nicely to illustrate this point. It is true that the Catholic Church contains the unity of Christianity. It contains the unity of truth in that all truth is within the Church, it contains the unity of Christians in that all Christians are connected to the Catholic (universal) Church, even if imperfectly (as are Protestants, Orthodox, and other Christians). It contains unity in that it is where Christ desires all His faithful to be. It contains unity in that the Catholic Church is the Church instituted by Christ, and is kept and made Holy by the unity of the Holy Trinity. However, John Paull II did not refer to this when he said that their is disunity in the Church. He was referring not to the mystical aspects and divine truths that are within the Catholic Church, but rather to the disunity that exists among the members of the Church. He referred to the fact that many, or most, members of the Church do not submit to her teachings. He referred to the fact that members of the Church are at odds with one another over doctrine, indeed he referred to the fact that the majority of Christians disperse themselves over a wide range of denominations, when in fact they all belong mystically to the body of Christ, which is the Catholic Church.

Examining the other alleged heresies shows very similar distortions of fact. For instance, Gregory was right to say that only Catholics can worship God in the sense that we alone worship Him in fullness, whereas Muslims are very lacking in their understanding of Him. Another example is the statement that Christ is not in all men. This is true, because not all men accept Christ’s spirit into them. However, all are united with Christ in that He created and sustains them. To cease to be in any way united with Christ is to cease to exist!

In short, don’t let it bother you :).
 
Cool post lazer, thanks!!

Hey, did you know Chelmsford is the County town of Essex, England, where I live! It’s like 20 minutes up the road from me!!
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Lazerlike42:
That seems to be the individual’s point.

As to the original post, I see a number of problems. The biggest is the author’s assertion that a heretic ceases to be pope based upon the statements of a number of Catholic theologians. This is problematic for two reasons. Firstly, this statement lacks 1) an infallible definition, and 2) the status of being official Church teaching. It therefore holds no weight in terms of its authority; in short, it is theological speculation.

This leads to the second problem with this assertion: theologians, Catholic and otherwise, have made thousands (if not more) theological statements over the centuries, the vast majority having been declared false, incomplete, or even heretical. For instance, Origen offered the statement that the atonement functioned by means of God tricking Satan, whom was said to possess all the souls of humanity, into exchanging these souls in exchange for Christ (the trick being in that God raised Christ from the dead, freeing even Him from Satan). This idea is of course far from correct, and even contains some rather large errors (for instance, the concept that Satan owned the rights to our souls). The fact that an item was taught by a theologian does not in any way indicate that it is true. Clearly, this author is a sedevacantist whom wishes to use this theologian to prove his belief.

In any case, the various “heresies” are indeed taken out of context or otherwise twisted. The very first one serves nicely to illustrate this point. It is true that the Catholic Church contains the unity of Christianity. It contains the unity of truth in that all truth is within the Church, it contains the unity of Christians in that all Christians are connected to the Catholic (universal) Church, even if imperfectly (as are Protestants, Orthodox, and other Christians). It contains unity in that it is where Christ desires all His faithful to be. It contains unity in that the Catholic Church is the Church instituted by Christ, and is kept and made Holy by the unity of the Holy Trinity. However, John Paull II did not refer to this when he said that their is disunity in the Church. He was referring not to the mystical aspects and divine truths that are within the Catholic Church, but rather to the disunity that exists among the members of the Church. He referred to the fact that many, or most, members of the Church do not submit to her teachings. He referred to the fact that members of the Church are at odds with one another over doctrine, indeed he referred to the fact that the majority of Christians disperse themselves over a wide range of denominations, when in fact they all belong mystically to the body of Christ, which is the Catholic Church.

Examining the other alleged heresies shows very similar distortions of fact. For instance, Gregory was right to say that only Catholics can worship God in the sense that we alone worship Him in fullness, whereas Muslims are very lacking in their understanding of Him. Another example is the statement that Christ is not in all men. This is true, because not all men accept Christ’s spirit into them. However, all are united with Christ in that He created and sustains them. To cease to be in any way united with Christ is to cease to exist!

In short, don’t let it bother you :).
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Exceptional post.
 
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FightingFat:
Cool post lazer, thanks!!

Hey, did you know Chelmsford is the County town of Essex, England, where I live! It’s like 20 minutes up the road from me!!
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cool :cool:
 
I liked your post lazer…very well put together post,im glad theres people like you to keep people like me on the right path to the kingdom of god…otherwise id be all over the place with this accusations about our former pope:o
 
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