10s of 1000s of Muslims find Christ in Bangladesh

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Karin:
Sounds alot like what alot of Catholics do…complain about there religion but dont do anything about it. Heck this can be said for any group…lots of complaining not enough action.

Dan L: How is it that a higher percentage of Muslims are violent than all other people groups on earth? could it because they are being attacked on in their homes and on the streets.
What exactly are you trying to compare ?

Where are Catholics going around blowing up civilians in the name of Christ ?
Where are Catholics going around beheading civilians in the name of Christ ?
Where are Catholics going around committing acts of terrorism in the name of their faith ?

you are trying to compare apples and oranges.

there is no similarity.
 
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GregoryPalamas:
There would have been no possibility for Islam to rise if Christian people had acted in the manner in which they should. Yet, when Islam gained ascendency they were and in many cases continue to be brutal. I see no need for that, yet they were and are.

Is it the people or the religion? I don’t know.

Dan L
Just exactly what do you mean by this statement? Are you claiming that we were responsible for the rise of Islam??:confused:
 
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un_dhimmi:
What exactly are you trying to compare ?

Where are Catholics going around blowing up civilians in the name of Christ ?
Where are Catholics going around beheading civilians in the name of Christ ?
Where are Catholics going around committing acts of terrorism in the name of their faith ?

you are trying to compare apples and oranges.

there is no similarity.
Where are Catholics going around blowing up civilians in the name of Christ ? Not currently…but they have murdered in the past in the name of Christ.
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Where are Catholics going around beheading civilians in the name of Christ ?
Where are Catholics going around committing acts of terrorism in the name of their faith ? Lets not classify all MUSLIMS as terrorists and not all Muslims behead people. You are lumping the good with the bad. Just as there are good Catholics there are bad and evil ones also (priests that mollest kids) but we dont lump you guys all together and say all Catholics are evil.

Terrorists are terrorists …Oklahoma City was an American terrorist…so not all terrorists are Muslims
 
Where are Catholics going around blowing up civilians in the name of Christ
? Not currently…but they have murdered in the past in the name of Christ.

Karin,

Where exactly is the historical proof of what they said and done?

Further, if you are referring to the Crusades, first you must know the historical fact that it was the muslims who instigated the Christians to embark the Crusades movement to free the Christians, especially the pilgrims, from persecution and killings of Muslims.

You read history and you will find out how muslims did those acts and up until now they haven’t made a formal public apology to Christians.

Don’t point a finger at us. Face the real facts of Muslim aggression in the past and present times in the name of their religion.

Pio
 
If you want to go back into the past, I am sure you will find all religions has bloody histories.

We are however living in the present.

How many violent (if any) movements that you see dotting the globe today are related to Christianity ?

Finally, you might find these comments I have copied from another side will more than address your questions :

***We keep hearing about these abominable beheadings of unarmed, immobilized, and innocent people. Muslims, apologists for Islam, and much of the Western media scramble, on cue, to assure us that we are not witnessing an established trend that we should worry about. In addition to the fact that they dishonestly euphemistically call the monsters who do this “militants” they also have a hackneyed script which they read from each time another Islamic snuff film is made available on the internet:

Isolated incidents. It seems to me that they’re almost happening on a monthly, if not weekly, basis now. Perpetrated by a tiny minority of extremists. As far as I’m concerned, one is too many, and yeah, I guess extremists is one way to describe these fiends. Not the real Islam. Wrong. Islam’s scripture, literature, and history is horribly bloody from its inception up to yesterday, and the tradition of decapitating ones “enemies” is a long and storied one. I put enemies in quotation marks, because as far as the mujahideen are concerned, anyone who is at all affiliated with the perceived enemies of Islam (in Iraq, Chechnya, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, etc.) is also an enemy, and subject to the rules of warfare and the treatment of the kuffar(infidels)/mushrikeen(those who put any law equal to or above God’s law). Designations like “civilian” and “noncombatant” are meaningless in Islamic holy war if you find yourself on the wrong side in Muslim lands. I’d also like to remind my readers that countless Muslims fit the bill as recipients of an isolated incident. As Ibn Warraq makes clear in his Why I am Not a Muslim, it is Muslims who suffer first, foremost, and most often under Islam.

These brutal, reprehensible acts of barbarism, while not carried out by all Muslims, are given a silent imprimatur. They are tacitly approved every time a “real” Muslim doesn’t speak out with outrage in protest of such crimes. There just isn’t a mass, coordinated, and universal outcry among Muslims worldwide over this madness. There are prewritten, bloodless public announcements of condemnation which are read and then folded up and put away until the next “isolated incident” requires some apologetics. It’s just damage control. Window dressing for a building on fire.***

clarityandresolve.com/archives/2004/09/jihadi_home_mov_3.php

ps: timothy mc’veigh didn’t carry out his out his bombing in the name of Christianity, so the example you gave is specious.
 
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un_dhimmi:
ps: timothy mc’veigh didn’t carry out his out his bombing in the name of Christianity, so the example you gave is specious.
No, but the person I was responding to made the point that all Muslims were terrorists…I just made a point (no religious ties involved) that even Americans can be terrorists.
 
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un_dhimmi:
thank you for your kind welcome.

i look forward to contributing at this very interesting site.

I actually discovered it by accident when a muslim I was debating at another forum (largely islamic) decided to turn tail and vanish when he found he was not able to respond suitably. Imagine my surprise when I discovered he had popped up here to peddle his ****.

there should never be dhimmitude ever again.

a good resource is dhimmiwatch.org.
Hi! It’s good to have you here! I really enjoy your posts, I wish more people would listen to what you have to say. I burst out laughing when I read the above, I thought it was hilarious!:rotfl:

Vickie
 
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Karin:
No, but the person I was responding to made the point that all Muslims were terrorists…I just made a point (no religious ties involved) that even Americans can be terrorists.
That might be true Karin, however,

Not all Muslims are terrorists.
However, most terrorists are muslims.

Don’t you agree ?
 
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un_dhimmi:
That might be true Karin, however,

Not all Muslims are terrorists.
However, most terrorists are muslims.

Don’t you agree ?
Nope dont agree.
I have to say though that I find the Muslim bashing that goes on around this website very Un-Christian. And just so you are not confused I am not Muslim nor am I Catholic I am a person who believes in God’s Golden Rule…Do unto others as you would want done to you. 😃
 
🙂 Good for them!!! it is nice to see that they are finding Christ and turning to His word rather than Muhammad and the Qu’ran. And Proud Kafir I am certainly proud of you. Finding Christ and converting from Islam like that… and for making www.whyislam.com so mad! 🙂 LOL :blessyou: :bible1:
 
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Karin:
Nope dont agree. [That most terrorists are Muslims]
Do you have any evidence for this?
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Karin:
I have to say though that I find the Muslim bashing that goes on around this website very Un-Christian.
I have to say that I agree. I believe that Islam has some very serious flaws, but that doesn’t license me to talk in a triumphalist tone. Or blaming anyone for the rise of Islam? Let’s be a bit more civil here, especially as we’re talking on such a very delicate topic.
 
Chazemataz said:
🙂 Good for them!!! it is nice to see that they are finding Christ and turning to His word rather than Muhammad and the Qu’ran. And Proud Kafir I am certainly proud of you. Finding Christ and converting from Islam like that… and for making www.whyislam.com so mad! 🙂 LOL :blessyou: :bible1:

Muslims already have Christ.

You are proud of someone b/c they are making someone else mad? I wonder what Jesus peace be upon him would say
 
Chazemataz said:
🙂 Good for them!!! it is nice to see that they are finding Christ and turning to His word rather than Muhammad and the Qu’ran. And Proud Kafir I am certainly proud of you. Finding Christ and converting from Islam like that… and for making www.whyislam.com so mad! 🙂 LOL :blessyou: :bible1:

Why all the hatred?? Very Un-Christian of you don’t you think?? What ever happened to turning your cheek?

Proud Muslim 🙂
 
Weve been turning the other cheek for about a 1,000 years now. Mine for one are red and raw.
 
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un_dhimmi:
I would think in terms of levels of tolerance, Islam is among the most intolerant of all faiths.

I can speak with experience, having lived several years in the middle east.

a dhimmi is a second class citizen.

although we were allowed to practise our faith in the country we lived in, there were stringent restrictions regarding church size, ringing of bells, a visible cross on the church, etc, etc… and this was in one of the more liberal muslim countries.

In other muslim countries, the situation is even more dire.

think saudi arabia, pakistan, bangladesh, etc. etc.

It’s difficult to criticise Islam, ISTM, given that the Church can be accused of what she might be tempted to accuse Islam.​

I’ve heard - but I don’t how reliable this information is - that Protestants in 1960s Colombia suffered persecution from Catholics. And that Catholics have treated Protestants since then, on various occasions, regardless of the teaching of the CC. I would very much like to know the truth about such claims. The Orthodox posters often mention war-time Croatia & the (quite fiendish) brutalities suffered by the Serbian Orthodox.

People are cruel, unfortunately - and sometimes, when they have the means and the opportunity, they behave accordingly, no matter what their religion or lack of it. I really wonder whether Islam is any more cruel than any other group. I doubt it.

A lot of persecution is probably based less on an informed and intelligent hatred of the victim’s religion, than on the status of the victim as an outsider, an alien, someone whose presence is perceived as disrupting familiar and settled social patterns. The obvious treatment for outsiders is rejection and persecution - especially if their beliefs disrupt society in some way (see Acts 18 for a good NT example of this).
Difference = non-conformity to society = anti-social = fit to be destroyed = needing to be destroyed: unless, of course, the degree of difference can be contained by the host society, and not reach the point at which it becomes critical. And one method of containment, is to forbid any public manifestation of the aliens’ ideas: whether one is a dhimmi in the Ottoman Empire, a Catholic in late 17th-century England, or a Protestant in Franco’s Spain. Phenomenologically, they seem to be identical ##
 
I don’t know why I typed that. I was in a bad mood at the time apparently. Please forgive me. I just have an unfair attitude towards Islam because I started studying it after 9/11. How stupid I was being. I hope you all accept my aplogy. :o
 
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Chazemataz:
I don’t know why I typed that. I was in a bad mood at the time apparently. Please forgive me. I just have an unfair attitude towards Islam because I started studying it after 9/11. How stupid I was being. I hope you all accept my aplogy. :o
It truly takes a man of wisdom and humility to apologize when he is wrong!! I understand your anger and if I was in your shoes I might have been just as angry. I wish you would study Islam without that unfair attitude though.

🙂
 
Karin said:
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Lets not classify all MUSLIMS as terrorists and not all Muslims behead people. You are lumping the good with the bad. Just as there are good Catholics there are bad and evil ones also (priests that mollest kids) but we dont lump you guys all together and say all Catholics are evil.

Granted there are a few non Muslim terrorists in the world today the vast majority are Muslim…fueled by the heretical violent writings of Muhhamed. Here are just a few to mention…notice all of the “worlds most wanted terrorsts” are Muslim…

WASHINGTON (CNN) – More than half the names on the “worlds most wanted terrorists” list released by the FBI on Wednesday are men who are charged in the terrorist conspiracy behind the 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in East Africa.

October 10, 2001 Posted: 9:50 p.m. EDT (0150 GMT)

The 22 names on the “most wanted” list of suspected terrorists and the crimes they are alleged to have been involved in are as follows:

World Trade Center bombing, February 26, 1993:

Abdul Rahman Yasin

Plot to bomb aircraft in Far East, January 1995:

Khalid Shaikh Mohammed

Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, June 25, 1996:

Ahmed Ibrahim Al-Mughassil

Ali Saed Bin Ali El-Houri

Ibrahim Salih Mohammed Al-Yacoub

Abdelkarim Hussein Mohamed Al-Nasser

U.S. embassy bombings in Kenya, Tanzania, August 7, 1998:

Osama bin Laden

Muhammad Atef

Ayman al-Zawahiri.

Fazul Abdullah Mohammed
Mustafa Mohamed Fadhil

Fahid Mohammed Ally Msalam

Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani

Sheikh Ahmed Salim Swedan
Abdullah Ahmed Abdullah
Anas Al-Liby

Saif Al-Adel
Ahmed Mohammed Hamed Ali

Mushin Musa Matwall Atwah

Hijacking of TWA Flight 847, June 14, 1985

Imad Mugniyah

Hassan Izz-Al-Din

Ali Atwa

All of those listed above have been indicted by federal grand juries. They are also covered by a rewards program offering up to $5 million each for their capture.

– CNN Producer Phil Hirschkorn contributed to this report.

I think Shohreh Aghdashloo, the actress that plays a cold-blooded Muslim killer in this season’s Fox TV program “24” said it best…

“Although not all Muslims are terrorists,” she said, “unfortunately, in today’s world, most of the terrorists are Muslim.”
 
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Chazemataz:
I don’t know why I typed that. I was in a bad mood at the time apparently. Please forgive me. I just have an unfair attitude towards Islam because I started studying it after 9/11. How stupid I was being. I hope you all accept my aplogy. :o
Why the apology…I did not sense hatred in your tone sarcasm maybe but not hatred…stating the facts is not hatred as Emad so falsely accused.
 
Deus Vult:
Why the apology…I did not sense hatred in your tone sarcasm maybe but not hatred…stating the facts is not hatred as Emad so falsely accused.
If someone gets happy when you are mad, wouldn’t you say they have hatred towards you?
 
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