10's of thousands of Anglicans ask to join the Catholic Church?

[AllSaints1631]

I’ll bet I do. It’s been discussed here many times, for many years. It’s a process that has been ongoing (whatever that process might be), for about 10 years; discussions between the Traditional Anglican Communion, an international communion of traditionalist Anglican jurisdictions, (American representative jurisdiction is the Anglican Church in America) aimed (if you believe the news) at some sort of corporate reunion (not individual submission). Apparently, some progress (maybe) took place in Oct.

I am awaiting more news. I’ll believe it when I see it.

GKC

Anglicanus Catholicus

I’ll actually do you one better and say that I do not believe it.

 

[GKC]

I’ll actually do you one better and say that I do not believe it.

As it is usually described, it is difficult to fathom, certainly.

GKC

 

[AllSaints1631]

As it is usually described, it is difficult to fathom, certainly.

GKC

This kind of stuff comes bouncing down the pea patch every so often. You can hear it coming from a distance and it is pretty much all the same.

 

[rien]

Are you sure about that? Tell me who Cardinal Newman is. Was he a bishop before his conversion to Catholicism?

Don’t know about Newman but bishops were free to marry in the first centuries. As were priests for the many first centuries,

 

[GKC]

This kind of stuff comes bouncing down the pea patch every so often. You can hear it coming from a distance and it is pretty much all the same.

This particular one is sui generis, IMO. Whether it’s accurate or no.

GKC

 

[ASimpleSinner]

Don’t know about Newman but bishops were free to marry in the first centuries. As were priests for the many first centuries,

A rather fast and loose posting… There is no denying that there were numerous married bishops and priests. If you wish we can open a thread about it…

To just throw it out there though… Well it does merit some mention of early disciplines of continence and celibacy…

 

[Prof_54]

In recent days, some anglo-catholics, in response to the religious pluralism and denial of the authority of the Scripture by leaders in the Episcopal Church, have converted to Catholicism.

 

[kotek]

As a former Anglican, I just recently “crossed the Tiber”, I would love see TAC become in Communion with Rome. Just like Eastern Byzantine Catholics I don’t see why there couldn’t be an “Anglican Rite Catholic”. Such a move would I feel encourage conservative Episcopalians in the United States and conservative Anglicans in the UK to come home to the Catholic Church. I would like to see an “Anglican Rite” Mass using the 1662 or 1928 Book of Common Prayer as a base. As far as married Priests and Bishops, why not? If there were an Anglican Rite in the Catholic Church then I don’t see why they couldn’t retain that aspect of allowing current Clergy to stay married and allow future Clergy to get married like the Eastern Rite Catholics.

 

[AllSaints1631]

As a former Anglican, I just recently “crossed the Tiber”, I would love see TAC become in Communion with Rome. Just like Eastern Byzantine Catholics I don’t see why there couldn’t be an “Anglican Rite Catholic”. Such a move would I feel encourage conservative Episcopalians in the United States and conservative Anglicans in the UK to come home to the Catholic Church. I would like to see an “Anglican Rite” Mass using the 1662 or 1928 Book of Common Prayer as a base. As far as married Priests and Bishops, why not? If there were an Anglican Rite in the Catholic Church then I don’t see why they couldn’t retain that aspect of allowing current Clergy to stay married and allow future Clergy to get married like the Eastern Rite Catholics.

interesting.

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

Big hold up. They have not only married priests, but bishops too.

In the end this will go nowhere IMO. The TAC will reunite with Eastern Orthodoxy. I really think that is a better move given the more traditional orthodox standing of Orthodoxy vs western Catholicsm. JMHO.

I find the sheer scale of magnitude of the figures frankly incredible - 500,000 is a hundred times the number of people who convert to Catholicism in England in the same period of one year.​

Can that many people possibly find that Anglicanism suddenly means so little to them that they all come together in a single year to make so large a figure ? That would be slightly over 41,500 Anglicans a month, or more than 1383 a day: IOW, as many in four days as are converted to Catholicism in England in 365 days - or 91 times as long.

I don’t believe that - not unless US Anglicans are a fantastically devout lot (which seems unlikely, given the volley of criticisms US Anglicanism has been meeting with)

I agree with you entirely

 

[GKC]

I find the sheer scale of magnitude of the figures frankly incredible - 500,000 is a thousand times the number of people who convert to Catholicism in England.​

Can that many people possibly find that Anglicanism suddenly means so little to them that they all come together in a single year to make so large a figure ? That would be slightly over 41,500 Anglicans a month, or more than 1383 a day: IOW, as many in four days as are converted to Catholicism in England in 365 days - or 91 times as long.

I don’t believe that - not unless US Anglicans are a fantastically devout lot (which seems unlikely, given the volley of criticisms US Anglicanism has been meeting with)

I agree with you entirely

The numbers in the TAC, as cited (now more often 400,000) have always seemed a little odd, to most other varities of Continuing Anglicans. Even given that the TAC (which is something around 12 years old, IIRC) is an international body, with (I think) 14 member jurisdictions, all of the Continuing Anglican persausion, in their respective countries, it’s odd. The Anglican Catholic Church, which is both the American representative jurisdiction of the TAC, and, in a sense, its fons et origo, might have around 8000 members, I’d guess, based on gossip. Where all the other folk came from, I don’t know.

GKC

posterus traditus Anglicanus

 

[ASimpleSinner]

I find the sheer scale of magnitude of the figures frankly incredible - 500,000 is a thousand times the number of people who convert to Catholicism in England.​

Can that many people possibly find that Anglicanism suddenly means so little to them that they all come together in a single year to make so large a figure ? That would be slightly over 41,500 Anglicans a month, or more than 1383 a day: IOW, as many in four days as are converted to Catholicism in England in 365 days - or 91 times as long.

I don’t believe that - not unless US Anglicans are a fantastically devout lot (which seems unlikely, given the volley of criticisms US Anglicanism has been meeting with)

I agree with you entirely

There are lies, damned lies, statistics… and then ecclesial statistics. I don’t believe the veracity of the half a million adherents claim either. It is also worth noting that these are not CofE people, but belonging to a splinter group that was formed out of a party largely favorable to Catholic thinking… but in an Anglican context.

Also worth noting is that this process takes years, and some congregations have already expressed disinteterest in following thier bishop’s lead… While others have privately just converted at the local RC parish…

Also to consider - to be a little cynical - what good publicity this brings the TAC - which is being discussed here and elsewhere in a whole host of venues where they had not gotten press before… And all for the free publicity of voting to make a move… and releasing a press release. Again, not to be cynical, but it is an easy move to make in a sense… Like me saying I will donate $1M to a local school system if the Dalai Lama comes to visit me for tea at my apartment. REAL big question is - would I be on the DL’s radar? My name would get in the paper a lot though…

But I stand by my thinking - if they are looking for a destination that is stable where they would best fit in, it would be Catholocism not Orthodoxy that has the mentality, ethos and provisions that would truly fit them best.

Time will tell. Let’s pray about it.

 

[Greg27]

I did see a story somewhere were a traditional group of Anglicans asked for union with Rome. Also in Australia, apparently the Anglicans in Brisbane were talking about a merger as well, but there has been a long theological dialogue here for some time. The Sydney Anglicans are strongly evangelical and likely to resist a merger with the Catholic Church, though they tend to agree well on moral issues with Cardinal Pell, and as for the rest, the ordination of women would pose a formidable obstacle.

 

[socalsurfnici]

catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=25773

Here’s another article on this topic.

 

[peary]

I hear that 10’s of thousands of Anglicans have ask to join the Catholic Church in the past year. May be even entire groups under a Bishop want to come into full communion which could be 100,000 to 500,000. Does anyone know more about this?

Henry VIII must be turning over in his grave by now. It’s sweet justice for OUR side.

 

[AllSaints1631]

Henry VIII must be turning over in his grave by now. It’s sweet justice for OUR side.

I must say that this is a mean spirited statement. We cannot expect Protestants to remain charitable in all instances when we take cheap shots like this. It is not Christian and it is not right.

 

[GKC]

I must say that this is a mean spirited statement. We cannot expect Protestants to remain charitable in all instances when we take cheap shots like this. It is not Christian and it is not right.

It’s not historically right, either.

GKC

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

The numbers in the TAC, as cited (now more often 400,000) have always seemed a little odd, to most other varities of Continuing Anglicans. Even given that the TAC (which is something around 12 years old, IIRC) is an international body, with (I think) 14 member jurisdictions, all of the Continuing Anglican persausion, in their respective countries, it’s odd. The Anglican Catholic Church, which is both the American representative jurisdiction of the TAC, and, in a sense, its fons et origo, might have around 8000 members, I’d guess, based on gossip. Where all the other folk came from, I don’t know.

GKC

posterus traditus Anglicanus

It’s always good to hear from someone who is actually Anglican (rather than being a has-been or once-was)​

My calculation of 1383 per diem is too large by a fact of ten, but a figure of 138.3 Anglicans per diem “Poping” still seems on the unlikely side. (I don’t know the stats for receptions into the CC in Scotland - I suspect they are too low to be worth publishing,if past form is any guide; I base my calculations on the figures published by the Catholic Bishops’ Conference for England & Wales)

Aren’t figures fun ? You can do anything with them.

GKC:

It’s not historically right, either.

I blame Edward VI (1547-53) for a lot of what happened post mortem Henrici.​

No one ever notices him, but he was not exactly unfriendly to the forces of Protestantism. He is possibly my least favourite Tudor (there is a whole series about them on the idiot box just now). He’s interesting as the first English monarch to be baptised after the break with Rome.

 

[GKC]

It’s always good to hear from someone who is actually Anglican (rather than being a has-been or once-was)​

My calculation of 1383 per diem is too large by a fact of ten, but a figure of 138.3 Anglicans per diem “Poping” still seems on the unlikely side. (I don’t know the stats for receptions into the CC in Scotland - I suspect they are too low to be worth publishing,if past form is any guide; I base my calculations on the figures published by the Catholic Bishops’ Conference for England & Wales)

Aren’t figures fun ? You can do anything with them.

I blame Edward VI (1547-53) for a lot of what happened post mortem Henrici.​

No one ever notices him, but he was not exactly unfriendly to the forces of Protestantism. He is possibly my least favourite Tudor (there is a whole series about them on the idiot box just now). He’s interesting as the first English monarch to be baptised after the break with Rome.

I’m the same sort of Anglican that the TAC is. That is, a Continuing Anglican. And I sort of doubt the TAC can marshall 400,000 troops. But if so, I doubt that 400,000 will be following +Hepworth, wherever it is he may be going. Not that it would be a bad thing. I just doubt it will happen. However, note that the TAC is not an *ad hoc * assembly joined to get a group rate across the Tiber. It’s a on-going international Anglican jurisdiction (not in communion with Canterbury) that will likely continue as such, if this effort falls through.

I’m not overly fond of Edward myself. I’d rather have seen Henry’s other son on the throne.

GKC

posterus traditus Anglicanus

 

[ASimpleSinner]

The numbers in the TAC, as cited (now more often 400,000) have always seemed a little odd, to most other varities of Continuing Anglicans. Even given that the TAC (which is something around 12 years old, IIRC) is an international body, with (I think) 14 member jurisdictions, all of the Continuing Anglican persausion, in their respective countries, it’s odd. The Anglican Catholic Church, which is both the American representative jurisdiction of the TAC, and, in a sense, its fons et origo, might have around 8000 members, I’d guess, based on gossip. Where all the other folk came from, I don’t know.

Actually the largest continuing Anglican group that is known as the Anglican Catholic Church is NOT part of the Traditinal Anglican Communion.

I believe they even had some legal battles in years past over some splits. If I understand correctly, the ACC uses the Anglican Missal exclusively, not so the TEC which has many regional variations.

They are not one in the same or a smaller part of the whole. They are two different groups altogether.