12 year old muslim boy beheads captive

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I dont think you would like to reform the Islam of that that man .

iht.com/articles/ap/2007/04/20/africa/ME-GEN-Egypt-Virginia-Tech-Shooting.php

‘’’'CAIRO, Egypt: Graduate student Waleed Mohammed Shaalan was planning on bringing his Egyptian family back to Virginia Tech but a rampaging gunman prevented that. The young man lost his life but was credited with acting to save a fellow student.

The day before Monday’s massacre, Shaalan called home and said he intended to visit Egypt next month and then return to Virginia with his wife and 15-month-old son who had been living in Egypt, his parents said Thursday.

The family got another call two days later. The Egyptian Embassy in Washington told them Shaalan had been one of the 32 victims in the deadliest school shooting in modern U.S. history.

“I talked to him over the internet Sunday,” his mother Saadiya Abdel-Mageed Ali said in a soft and anguished voice. “He asked me to move closer to the Web camera so he can see my face better. ‘I want to see your face mama!’ he kept saying.”

Shaalan, 32, had been at Virginia Tech since August studying for a Ph.D. in civil engineering. He was ambitious, saying he wanted to follow in the footsteps of Ahmed Zewail, an Egyptian who won the Nobel prize for chemistry in 1999, said his father, Mohammed Shaalan, 65.

“I am talking to you now and I am still in disbelief. I lost the most precious person in my life,” Mohammed Shaalan told The Associated Press by telephone from his home in the Nile Delta town of Zagazig. “He used to tell me that he wants to be someone like Nobel winner Ahmed Zewail.”

Randy Dymond, a civil engineering professor, said Shaalan was credited with distracting gunman Cho Seung-Hui to save the life of a fellow student.

Dymond, who attended a service for Shaalan Thursday, said the Egyptian was in the first classroom Cho attacked and was badly wounded. Cho returned to the room twice to search for signs of life.

During one of those incidents, a second student who was uninjured, was playing dead. When Shaalan noticed Cho making a move to shoot the student, the Egyptian made a “protective movement to basically decoy the killer into thinking it was him making any kind of sound instead of the survivor,” Dymond said.

Dymond declined to give the name of the student who survived, but said the student wanted him to tell the story “so that the family of Waleed understands the sacrifice.”

Shaalan’s mother broke down when she heard Dymond’s account.

“He was trying to save someone else?” she said repeatedly.

Dymond said Shaalan’s body was taken to a Blacksburg mosque Thursday afternoon so classmates, teachers and friends could say goodbye before it was sent to Egypt for burial.

Egyptian newspapers published photographs of Shaalan’s wedding. His wife Amira, 28, is also an engineer, Al-Ahram newspaper reported. She wore an intricately decorated white gown and veil, clutching a bouquet of pink flowers. Shaalan planned to bring Amira and his son, Khaled, to Virginia in May, his parents said.

“Why was he killed? What did he do? What is his guilt? He just wanted to continue his studies and obtain a Ph.D. He wanted to be unique in his field,” said Mohammad Shaalan, a retired government official. “I can only say that a man’s life is in God’s hands. Thanks be to God.”

Shaalan obtained his bachelor and master’s degrees in civil engineering from Zagaziq University. He worked at a government research center before receiving a scholarship to study at Virginia Tech.

“He was the simplest and nicest guy I ever knew,” Fahad Pasha, Shaalan’s roommate, said on the Web site of the Muslim Students Association at Virginia Tech. "We would be studying for our exams and he would go buy a cake and make tea for us’’’’’
 
meedo,
And this has what to do with islamic terrorists teaching a 12 year old boy to murder for Allah? Did you read the thread on the Korean response. They apologized and expressed sorrow. I have never heard a muslim apologize for ANYTHING.

Btw, no protests today by muslims against this horror. That tells me all I need to know.
 
Why should a Muslim have to apologise for something they had nothing to do with? That doesn’t make any sense, if an apology is “a written or spoken expression of one’s regret, remorse, or sorrow for having insulted, failed, injured, or wronged another” then how it is even possible to apologise for something you had nothing to do with? I’ve never understood this demand for apologies everytime a Muslim does something bad.
Seriously? Why? Let me guess…

Stalinist Soviet Union invaded and subjugated Muslim lands=BAD

Hitler killed 6,000,000+ Jews, Christians, homosexuals, and gypsies=GOOD

Honestly, this is the third time this week I have seen Hitler exalted on this forum. Am I missing something?
I wasn’t exalting Hitler. I was showing how the logic of ‘the enemies of some evil people’ = ‘the good guys’ is flawed, since Hitler was hardly a good guy by any reasonable standard.
 
Why should a Muslim have to apologise for something they had nothing to do with? That doesn’t make any sense, if an apology is “a written or spoken expression of one’s regret, remorse, or sorrow for having insulted, failed, injured, or wronged another” then how it is even possible to apologise for something you had nothing to do with? I’ve never understood this demand for apologies every time a Muslim does something bad.
It’s not an apology we’re looking for, it’s the OUTRAGE that this was done in the name of Islam. They seem to be able to gather en-masse for something as devastating as a Dutch cartoon, so logistics isn’t an issue, right? When you don’t deny the claim that it was done in the name of Allah, then you are agreeing with them by default. This may be a cultural expectation on my part that Arabs don’t subscribe to. 🤷
I wasn’t exalting Hitler. I was showing how the logic of ‘the enemies of some evil people’ = ‘the good guys’ is flawed, since Hitler was hardly a good guy by any reasonable standard.
My apologies if I missed the fact you were pointing out a flawed logic, without the benefit of quoted text I had no idea what you were referring to. :o
 
Isn’t it a bit myopic to think that a 12-year-old should be considered young and innocent in other cultures based purely on his age?

12 years old is pretty young, but it’s not like he’s a toddler the way you lot are making out.

Oh what a horrible world we live in, and all that…
 
Why should a Muslim have to apologise for something they had nothing to do with? That doesn’t make any sense, if an apology is “a written or spoken expression of one’s regret, remorse, or sorrow for having insulted, failed, injured, or wronged another” then how it is even possible to apologise for something you had nothing to do with? I’ve never understood this demand for apologies everytime a Muslim does something bad.

I wasn’t exalting Hitler. I was showing how the logic of ‘the enemies of some evil people’ = ‘the good guys’ is flawed, since Hitler was hardly a good guy by any reasonable standard.
Kad, muslims continually demand apologies from everyone else for everything. You demand whole nations apologize for citizens who exercise free speech by drawing cartoons. If you don’t get it then you kill people. Please explain THAT to me.

What’s going on here is that muslims are evading responsibility. By doing so they encourage islamic terrorism. It’s time you own up to your part in this and say you’re sorry. But you won’t because muslims will never apologize to non-muslims for something that muslims have done. To you we are just dhimmi slaves.
 
Isn’t it a bit myopic to think that a 12-year-old should be considered young and innocent in other cultures based purely on his age?

12 years old is pretty young, but it’s not like he’s a toddler the way you lot are making out.

Oh what a horrible world we live in, and all that…
fael, well muhammed married a 9 year old and they use that argument to do the same thing today. I don’t know where you live, but 12 year olds in my area are not allowed to behead people.
 
Kad, muslims continually demand apologies from everyone else for everything. You demand whole nations apologize for citizens who exercise free speech by drawing cartoons. If you don’t get it then you kill people. Please explain THAT to me.
What? I demand whole nations apologise? I kill people if they don’t? Maybe my memory aint what it used to be, but I don’t recall killing anyone because their nation didn’t apologise for a cartoon…
What’s going on here is that muslims are evading responsibility. By doing so they encourage islamic terrorism. It’s time you own up to your part in this and say you’re sorry. But you won’t because muslims will never apologize to non-muslims for something that muslims have done. To you we are just dhimmi slaves.
It’s time I own up to my part and say I’m sorry…? You don’t even know me, yet I’m being accused of being involved with terrorism and being demanded I make confessions and apologies…? I didn’t realise this was an interrogation office…

Am I the only one who sees something terribly wrong with this?
 
Kad, yes you are the only one, well you and most other muslims. The rest of us are clueless as to why you don’t see it. When muslims commit atrocities we listen and hear…nothing/zilch/silence. When a cartoon of muhammed is printed we listen and hear…threats/hate/riots/murders. This leads us to begin thinking that muslims really don’t like being critical of other muslims no matter what they do. But they will kill any dhimmi who dares contradict islam. Let’s face it, in a muslim country if we had this conversation I would end up in jail or dead. You don’t see a problem here? Muslims need to speak up when these things happen or be convicted by their own silence. Let’s, for once, hear muslims say “We are sorry. We apologize. We will teach our children better.”
 
Again, you can’t apologise for something you had nothing to do with. Muslims aren’t some kind of collective entity, we’re not the Borg.
 
Again, you can’t apologise for something you had nothing to do with. Muslims aren’t some kind of collective entity, we’re not the Borg.
Your point is valid. But if a cartoon of Muhammad is printed I have to wonder if someone is going to bomb the store I’m in. Or fly a plane into a building I’m in.
 
Peace to you

Every religion has its bad apples. It is not right to blame its members at large for the actions of few. To be fair in these issues, we need to take a look at what the religion says about them. In Islam, the Quran states that “if any one slew a person it would be as if he slew the whole people. And if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people.” Islam is a religion of peace and submission to the will of God. There is no such thing as a peaceful terrorist. Therefore, these terrorist actions are not within the fold of the teachings of Islam.

May God guide us all on the right path.
 
Peace to you

Every religion has its bad apples. It is not right to blame its members at large for the actions of few. To be fair in these issues, we need to take a look at what the religion says about them. In Islam, the Quran states that “if any one slew a person it would be as if he slew the whole people. And if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people.” Islam is a religion of peace and submission to the will of God. There is no such thing as a peaceful terrorist. Therefore, these terrorist actions are not within the fold of the teachings of Islam.

May God guide us all on the right path.
How do you go about reconciling this with…
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YUSUFALI: Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): “I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.”
PICKTHAL: When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying): I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger.
SHAKIR: When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.
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YUSUFALI: But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
PICKTHAL: Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
SHAKIR: So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
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YUSUFALI: Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers,
PICKTHAL: Fight them! Allah will chastise them at your hands, and He will lay them low and give you victory over them, and He will heal the breasts of folk who are believers.
SHAKIR: Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace, and assist you against them and heal the hearts of a believing people.
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YUSUFALI: Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah’s Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.
PICKTHAL: Now when ye meet in battle those who disbelieve, then it is smiting of the necks until, when ye have routed them, then making fast of bonds; and afterward either grace or ransom till the war lay down its burdens. That (is the ordinance). And if Allah willed He could have punished them (without you) but (thus it is ordained) that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He rendereth not their actions vain.
SHAKIR: So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates. That (shall be so); and if Allah had pleased He would certainly have exacted what is due from them, but that He may try some of you by means of others; and (as for) those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will by no means allow their deeds to perish.
If you get to selectively cherry-pick certain verses here without explaining the context, don’t be surprised when others hold to that standard as well.
 
Isn’t it a bit myopic to think that a 12-year-old should be considered young and innocent in other cultures based purely on his age?

12 years old is pretty young, but it’s not like he’s a toddler the way you lot are making out.

Oh what a horrible world we live in, and all that…
In Islam, he might be considered an adult. They like to think nine year old girls can be women.
 
Again, you can’t apologise for something you had nothing to do with. Muslims aren’t some kind of collective entity, we’re not the Borg.
By saying you’re all Muslims then you must have something in common - else the ‘group’ name “Muslim” would not be meaningful.

So we can look to what Moslems have in common. You have shared values.

Those values including spreading Islam by Jihad (which means struggle, but can be manifest through violence).

Simple logic!
 
Every religion has its bad apples. It is not right to blame its members at large for the actions of few. To be fair in these issues, we need to take a look at what the religion says about them.

Islam is a religion of peace and submission to the will of God. There is no such thing as a peaceful terrorist. Therefore, these terrorist actions are not within the fold of the teachings of Islam.

May God guide us all on the right path.
They are not exceptions if it can be shown that they were following the tenets of Islam.
In Islam, the Quran states that “if any one slew a person it would be as if he slew the whole people. And if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people.”
Sounds like the Talmud. It was paraphrased in the film Schindler’s List when the survivors present Herr Schindler with a ring with an inscription
 
Again, you can’t apologise for something you had nothing to do with. Muslims aren’t some kind of collective entity, we’re not the Borg.
Actually you are. Look at how islam is lived. You all claim it has all the answers and that it is a “complete way of life” that is the same for everyone. You dress alike, wear beards, pray in arabic etc. I could make a case that you are very much like the borg.

You do have something to do with this. Your religion is engaged on a massive war against the rest of the world. It is committing terrible acts like this daily. It persecutes non-muslims viciously. And you do NOTHING. We have a saying, “evil can only prevail if good men do nothing.” By your lack of response and responsibility you let the terrorists rain havoc on the innocent. Islam is YOUR religion and it is doing TERRIBLE things. So take responsibility and be men. Apologize and clean house. You’ll feel better and you might actually reform your religion.
 
Peace to you

Every religion has its bad apples. It is not right to blame its members at large for the actions of few. To be fair in these issues, we need to take a look at what the religion says about them. In Islam, the Quran states that “if any one slew a person it would be as if he slew the whole people. And if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people.” Islam is a religion of peace and submission to the will of God. There is no such thing as a peaceful terrorist. Therefore, these terrorist actions are not within the fold of the teachings of Islam.

May God guide us all on the right path.
Oh please, when muslims murder converts to Christianity all the time your words mean nothing. Your silence is deafening when it comes to condemning islamic violence. Your religion of peace murders innocent people in the name of Allah all the time. I have never heard muslims take responsibility for what goes on in the ummah, but if one muslim is injured or a quran is dropped you all suddenly start a murderous riot.
 
Peace to you

Wow. I didn’t realize it would only take one post to get attacked around here. You guys need to take a deep breath. All that anger is not good for your health.

Those Quran verses you posted are taken out of context. I can post violence from the Bible if I wanted to.

You cannot win an arguement when you are making such vast generalizations like always and all of you, etc. So, because a few priests molest children then does that mean ALL of you do?? No. I don’t think so.

As I said before, you need to look at the values of a religion not just the bad apples. And… breathe.
 
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