12 year old muslim boy beheads captive

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John 16

16:1 “I have told you all these things so that you will not fall away.16:2 They will put you out of the synagogue, yet a time is coming when the one who kills you will think he is offering service to God. 16:3 They will do these things because they have not known the Father or me.
16:4 But I have told you these things so that when their time comes, you will remember that I told you about them.
 
Peace to you

I did not say anything wrong in my post. Nor was I attempting to shift guilt, lol. I find it interesting that you ask for peace while throwing stones.
That’s what you’ve done. Try practicing ‘introspection’
You are making judgments about me when you do not even know me. Peace cannot be achieved this way. The bible says to “judge not lest ye be judged”. Caution is advised here.
People can judge what you write, by what you write.
 
WHERE are those “moderate” muslims. Meedo here has stated he agrees with killing converts. He thinks he is moderate. Meedo the nice guy who will grieve for you as he watches them slice off your head, but he won’t stop them, disagree with them, or protest against them.
Well, that IS a serious charge. What about it Meedo? If your brother converts to christianity, are you obliged or at least allowed to kill him if he refuses to come back? WOULD you?

Cestusdei, regardless of where Meedo stands, I suggest to you that there are MANY muslims terrified of being accused of being ‘bad’ muslims by the nutjobs and afraid to speak out against the atrocities. We will do Christ’s work far better by reaching out to them with Christian charity than by proclaiming them ALL to be hopeless wackos.
 
manual, I will give meedo credit for honesty. He specifically stated that apostasy should be punished with death. If, as muslims claim, the jihadists are such a small group then why should they be afraid. Why don’t the ones who live in the West, who can protest, do nothing? It is time to stop being so nice and hold them accountable.
 
Now I didn’t say they were a SMALL group. In fact, I believe I noted them as a significant minority. It is still true that for evil to triumph, it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.

I admit that I have no idea of the REAL proportions, but I suggest that even if 20% of muslims have been radicalized to extreme jihadism, the other 80% who just want to live their lives in peace are probably scared of them. Heck, WE are scared of them and we generally don’t live in the same communities on a day by day basis.

Thus, I suggest we reach out a loving hand towards those who depore the violence instead of painting all 100% of muslims with the jihadi brush. Note that I applaud your efforts to point out the dangers of pretending there IS no problem with Islam. But going too far and insinuating ALL of them are psychos doesn’t help the cause.
 
Let us pray for this boy and the man who died. God desires both their hearts.
 
Now I didn’t say they were a SMALL group. In fact, I believe I noted them as a significant minority. It is still true that for evil to triumph, it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.

I admit that I have no idea of the REAL proportions, but I suggest that even if 20% of muslims have been radicalized to extreme jihadism, the other 80% who just want to live their lives in peace are probably scared of them. Heck, WE are scared of them and we generally don’t live in the same communities on a day by day basis.

Thus, I suggest we reach out a loving hand towards those who depore the violence instead of painting all 100% of muslims with the jihadi brush. Note that I applaud your efforts to point out the dangers of pretending there IS no problem with Islam. But going too far and insinuating ALL of them are psychos doesn’t help the cause.
I give them every opportunity to prove me wrong. They could unequivocally renounce violence, admit their faults, condemn child marriage etc. But they never do. Even when I beg them to do so. They won’t. Always they hedge. Read the article about the jihadist on that thread. It is illuminating.
 
Peace to you

Every religion has its bad apples. It is not right to blame its members at large for the actions of few. To be fair in these issues, we need to take a look at what the religion says about them. In Islam, the Quran states that “if any one slew a person it would be as if he slew the whole people. And if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people.” Islam is a religion of peace and submission to the will of God. There is no such thing as a peaceful terrorist. Therefore, these terrorist actions are not within the fold of the teachings of Islam.

May God guide us all on the right path.
You are correct that it is indeed bad to blame and entire religion for the actions of the few. However, let me try to break down for you what many in the West see that gives them such concern about Islam.

First lets start with the obvious things that anyone would be concerned about. Terrorist attacks, beheadings of civilians, Imam’s declaring rape a woman’s fault and now a boy being trained to execute innocent people. We’ve seen the enslavement of Christians and animist in Sudan. We’ve seen the persecution of Coptics in Somalia. Anyone in the West will be horrified by these things. Assumably you as a peaceful and enlightened person are bothered by these events as well correct?

Now all of the terrible things mentioned above do not in and of themselves mean that Islam is dangerous. We’ll come back to that but lets move on now.

We’ve seen riots over a cartoon with Muhammed, We’ve seen palestinians celebrating when 9/11 occured. We’ve seen riots in Pakistan when the government went against the religious leaders and tried to give women the right to accuse rapists without 3 male witnesses. What does this tell us? It tells us that muslims seem to have the courage to stand up and be heard when they feel that they have been abused or that their religion has been insulted. Would you agree that this is a reasonable assertion?

Now you yourself (and many other muslims) have declared the Islam is a religion of peace and that Muslims as a whole should not be held accountable for actions of a few knuckle heads. I’ll go on record as stating that you make a reasonable argument.

Here is the rub though. If something as trivial as a cartoon is seen as insulting enough to Islam that riots break in several nations. Then why don’t riots break out when people insult Islam by commiting murder, encouraging rape and pediphilia and destruction of property in Allah’s name? Is not murder in the name of Islam a greater insult than a cartoon? Is not an endorsement of rape in Islam’s name worse than some quote by a dead Greek (which was taken out context anyway)?

This is what Westerners don’t get. We know Muslims are vocal when they feel slighted (that’s understandable). Yet when they’re vocal about a newspaper comic but silent on murder we tend to think there is a reason.

It isn’t the type of reaction that is important it is a consistancy of reaction. The form of the outrage is really not what anyone is concerned about it is the outrage, sadness or embarassment itself of someone misrepresenting tarnishing your religion. Does this help you see the the West’s perspective on all of this?
 
How’s he going to cope with 70 virgins?
Hopefully all 70 will be disinterested in carnal relations AND beg big time naggers. For all eternity.

70 nagging virgins who refuse to touch him…

Sounds just to me.
 
Good post rt. A tough question that doesn’t come off as hateful or inflammatory. That’s all I could ask for.
 
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