14-Year-Old girl Who Was killed for Resisting Rape May Be Canonized. Her Story Like That of Saint Maria Goretti

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Oh, I see. Thanks for re-explaining that. It is sad to consider that Jesus may have suffered so.
 
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For many people, sexual assault against an adult implies some sort of penetration; it is worse than sexual abuse against an adult, which is viewed by many as actions such as those you mention against Christ for the purpose of self-gratification.
 
Annie said:
For many people, sexual assault against an adult implies some sort of penetration; it is worse than sexual abuse against an adult, which is viewed by many as actions such as those you mention against Christ for the purpose of self-gratification.
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Rape involves penetration.

“The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.”

Sexual abuse and sexual assault are used interchangeably and rape is included; but not all sexual assault is rape. I think it’s important to note that unfortunately the way some state statutes in the US are written they exclude men as victims of rape, but men can be raped.

ETA: [Rape is a form of sexual assault, but not all sexual assault is rape. The term rape is often used as a legal definition to specifically include sexual penetration without consent. For its Uniform Crime Reports, the FBI defines rape as “penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.” To see how your state legally defines rape and other forms of sexual assault, visit RAINN’s State Law Database.](Sexual Assault | RAINN)
 
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That females who’ve had sex or been raped are defiled is the thinking behind marry-your-rapists-laws & cases of rape survivors having surgery to restore their virginity(I started a thread on it earlier).

This thinking:
  • Shames Innocent victims(who may’ve been threatened with rape if they didn’t deny God or something) for being victims.
  • Judges people’s value on their bodies rather than their moral character or inherent dignity as a person.
  • Makes chastity about keeping our bodies intact rather than about respecting others.
Resisting rape is just using your right to self-defence against an attack. An in which you don’t know if it is going end in rape, death, or both. Heroic death would be dying saving someone else from rape.
 
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So what exactly would you have as a standard for ‘acceptable’ attention to virginity?
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This is my acceptable attention to virginity.

The practice of chastity befitting one’s station in life and the honor of virginity in relation to God, as in living a celibate life for the sake of the Kingdom. Being a consecrated virgin comes to mind.

Now telling rape victims that they were defiled and would be better off dead as the article says is not one of them.
 
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Honor killings more often these days have to do with the woman somehow ‘leaving the Faith’ by marrying a non-Muslim or herself converting to Christianity.
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Rape victims have also been the victim of honor killings. It’s no secret. The rape defiled the victim which has brought dishonor on her family.

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Honor killing | Causes, Consequences & Solutions

Honor killing, most often, the murder of a woman or girl by male family members. The killers justify their actions by claiming that the victim has brought dishonor upon the family name or prestige. In patriarchal societies, the activities of girls and women are closely monitored. The maintenance of
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I do not understand how you arrived at the conclusion you did of saying the article said "Rape victims are better off dead’. It did no such thing.
 
The statement where it said she chose death rather than be defiled is what gave me the idea. A woman’s worth is in her virginity. If she loses that even against her will she becomes worthless.

It’s die or live life as a defiled and worthless woman.

Here is the quote:

The 14-year-old was said to have preferred to keep her dignity by losing her life, rather than being defiled …

Vivian … told the group of young girls in the group about the values of chastity .

She described a woman’s worth and pride as being able to hold her virginity until marriage.
 
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The speculation in this article, well, my advice would be to open a new thread.
 
To paint this as sexual is, as I said above, a stretch. It seems to be a very different topic.
 
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To paint this as sexual is, as I said above, a stretch.
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Oh I think it’s a perfect example about using someone’s private parts to shame them and experience a personal power trip on the part of the Roman authorities. If that’s not sexual abuse, what is?!
 
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I don’t want to start a new topic I want address the one in the OP.

If a someone, such as a high school student, was stripped naked and left exposed for all to see the gym, you see wouldn’t see that as sexual assault?

Knowing that there isn’t a word for rape in Hebrew and that the bible is loaded with idioms to talk about delicate matters, even without having read the link I posted (and the blog posts linked within, and comments) I’d have to wonder what wasn’t described in scripture.

My mind doesn’t automatically go there but after reading something that hinted at it it seems obvious and likely because I don’t think that with all the humiliations and torture planned the Romans stopped short of sexual assault, like that was just going too far.

And I think this very relevant when Catholics talk about canonizing women and girls who resisted rape and were murdered. I think there might be saints who were victims of rape, but all patron saints of rape victims escaped being raped themselves.
 
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That right there. Why is no saint for rape victims someone who was violated and lived?
 
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Why is no saint for rape victims someone who was violated and lived?
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The same reason there is currently no patron saint for addicts who was actually addicted to alcohol or drugs and became a saint anyway.

There are saints who were purportedly raped while alive. There is at least one saint (possibly two saints) and one Venerable likely to become a saint (already has his statue in the cathedral in his home country) who were actually substance abuse addicts.
At some point down the line you will see patrons of rape and addiction who were actually raped or addicted.
Thought evolves, the Church evolves.
 
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The disheartening reactions to this girl’s story make this one of the most depressing threads I’ve seen on CAF in my 15 years here. Well, that’s not counting threads over in the Breitbart News subforum - I expect all of those to be disheartening dumpster fires.

@mdgspencer, thanks for posting it - I appreciated being exposed to her story.

@Tis_Bearself, if he’s not the one you were already thinking of, I’ll mention that St. Mark Ji Tianxiang was an addict, right up until his death as a martyr:

 
St. Mark Ji Tianxiang is indeed one of the addicted saints I was thinking of.

The other one was St. Monica, who was reported to have had a drinking problem, which she overcame after her servant girl called her out on it.

The Venerable I mentioned is Venerable Matt Talbot, who overcame his alcoholism in the days before 12-step programs through praying all the time and consecrating himself to Mary. He is greatly revered in Dublin now, but was mocked and disrespected while he was alive and for some time after.

The saints and saints-in-process who were raped, or likely were raped, are all listed in the article I posted.
 
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Sad that being physically intact was so prized that a girl who was raped was ruined for life. It seems some still feel that way.
 
And again, this is an example I believe of a ‘both-and’ view which is more Catholic than today’s narrow, judgmental whinging.

I am sorry that it offends modern ears, but rape is an attack that defiles God’s temple (a woman’s purity). The defilement is not that of the woman’s SOUL but an assault against the woman’s PERSON.

One can as easily say that any sin defiles a person.

Are you really trying to argue that a woman’s purity is not ‘worth protecting’? That virginity is not something important to a woman?
 
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