14-Year-Old girl Who Was killed for Resisting Rape May Be Canonized. Her Story Like That of Saint Maria Goretti

[stpurl]

There is a difference between the rare cases of extremeism which led to the idea that physical profanation (and it is an attack and it does damage, i.e. defilement, to the woman’s PERSON) which then (not in the Catholic Church) thought of the woman as ‘ruined’ inwardly as well as assaulted outwardly, and the correct Catholic teaching that a woman’s purity should be protected as being worthwhile. Not because she gets ‘ruined’ if she is assaulted through no fault of her own, but because of the damage to the mortally sinning rapist, and to the society which often either holds the WOMAN to blame, or else tries to shield the woman by making defense something to not even strive for, to make a person who resists to death into some kind of crazy zealot throwback to repression and sexual obsession. . .

I wonder what today’s society tends toward? Yep.

I notice how many people don’t even give the marginal lip service of, “Wow, she really went far in defending her faith”. . .Nope. It’s a flat out, “This kind of thinking is so wrong. She doesn’t deserve to be a candidate for sainthood.”

To me it comes across as hateful, judgmental, and demeaning.

And as I noted before, and nobody has yet truly addressed, this is part and parcel of the modern idea that "Living trumps everything’. You’re supposed to just accept evil actions, or even do them yourself like Reject God or somebody will be killed scenarios because "our God is a god of mercy’. Yep, there are very few people who believe in moral absolutes today, and most are derided as cranks and fanatics.

No wonder we’re seeing the troubles throughout the Christian world that we see today.

 

[Dan_Defender]

How do we know she resisted? or didn’t?

Forensics can determine this. A resisting victim would show defensive wounds and such. Even the location and angles of wounds can help in this. I do not know about this specific case, I am just saying it is possible.

 

[Sarcelle]

Are you really trying to argue that a woman’s purity is not ‘worth protecting’? That virginity is not something important to a woman?

Are you arguing that virginity is much more important than life itself? That a woman should rather die than lose her virginity? Because that is what the article is saying. Are you in agreement?

I am trying to argue against the idea that a rape survivor is damaged goods as the article implies that death is much more preferable.

The idea that women and girls are products or things of not much use if their “seal is broken”. Remember the “discard if seal is broken” on goods for sale?

I notice how many people don’t even give the marginal lip service of, “Wow, she really went far in defending her faith”. . .Nope. It’s a flat out, “This kind of thinking is so wrong. She doesn’t deserve t o be a candidate for sainthood.”

Who said anything about this person not deserving sainthood? I certainly didn’t say it?

 

[Mi_Rose]

It is the opposite of hateful judgemental and demeaning.

 

[ShrodingersCat]

Are you really trying to argue that a woman’s purity is not ‘worth protecting’? That virginity is not something important to a woman?

Physical virginity (I.e. intact hymen) is relatively meaningless, as it can be broken accidentally doing any number of physical activities.

Spiritual purity is not more worth protecting in a man vs. In a woman. Both are very important. But spiritual purity / virginity IS NOT lost by rape! Rape is a gross violation of the human body and an act of violence. I argue that it’s worse to rape a woman vs. a man for the simple reason that a woman can also become pregnant against her wishes which compounds the sin. But not because women’s bodies are somehow more sacred or some such nonsense.

And, as I have said before, no one is questioning this girl’s choice here. No one is saying she isn’t brave. We are taking exception to those quoted in the article.

 

[VanitasVanitatum]

Could just be a coincidence. It’s hard to tell anyways.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Sexuality even in the case of rape was so stigmatizing in Western Society, thanks to the Church, that when a Greek village was about to be overrun by Turks, the parents threw their daughters off of a cliff to their deaths, rather than allow them to be raped by the Turks.

Did they really serve their daughters in this act of murder or themselves, who couldn’t love their daughter’s after being defiled ?

 

[stpurl]

Wow. How on earth do you get the idea that the parents threw the daughters off the cliff 'because they couldn’t love them anymore if they were 'defiled"??

And how do you try to tie in a Greek village (when? Were they Catholic? Orthodox?) with their parents forcibly throwing the girls off a cliff, not the girls themselves choosing to fight BACK) with Catholic teaching?

This is not at all analogous to the article in question.

 

[PennyinCanada]

Did they really serve their daughters in this act of murder or themselves, who couldn’t love their daughter’s after being defiled ?

Is that how you see it? Maybe it had something to do with being raped and tortured and burned alive by a ruthless enemy.

Remember how people jumped from the towers on 9/11 rather than be trapped in an inferno and burned alive? Terrible fear and desperation, impossible choices.

 

[adgloriam]

Also, losing ones virginity isn’t a terrible thing.

I wouldn’t be so hasty in making this statement. (It takes a lot of honesty and conscience for a woman to say:“I shouldn’t have done that.” Why shouldn’t she?)

That a woman has less a value because she isn’t a virgin is a social construct

Well, that is not true. Else virginity would have no value, all things being equal. (What is the value of virginity?)

(Two sentences saying “no” are misleading, definition in the positive is the real challenge.)

@Sarcelle

 

[ShrodingersCat]

That a woman has less a value because she isn’t a virgin is a social construct

So you are saying a woman who has had sex has less value than a woman who has not had sex? Really? What about men who have had sex?

In my opinion, there is no inherent value in virginity other than how it is intrinsically connected to the virtue of chastity (before marriage). To choose consecrated virginity for the Lord is a noble act of sacrifice for God and is laudible - but those that choose it are not humans of “more value” than married humans.

 

[adgloriam]

So you are saying

No I didn’t say that. You are saying it.

What about men who have had sex?

Same applies. (These definitions are established -in themselves, they’re not about what you said- try and look for them.)

Ohh, and I don’t respond to provocations or provocative tones. The persons I addressed I have come to know, to a degree, I’m a fan of their writing, I appreciate them. You on the other hand @ShrodingersCat I do not know yet.

In my opinion, there is no inherent value in virginity

Well, that’s your opinion (matter of fact, is not matter of opinion.)

 

[GEddie]

There is in fact, now, someone who was an opium addict and became canonized (2010s.) While not currently considered a patron of addicts, in the future he may become one.

The man, whose name escapes me, lived in 1800s China and became addicted to opium that he took for a medical reason. He was even kept from the Blessed Sacrament because he could not give up opium (addiction not being much understood then.) He was martyred in the rebellion of 1900.

So yes, there’s at least one saint who entered death with an addiction.

ICXC NIKA

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Wow. How on earth do you get the idea that the parents threw the daughters off the cliff 'because they couldn’t love them anymore if they were 'defiled"??

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1 Corinthians 13 1

Love is patient , love is kind . It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.

How on earth could a parent murder their child out of love, because she might be raped by an oncoming enemy ?

This goes against the “double effect teaching.” You can’t commit an evil act in order to have a good outcome.

 

[stpurl]

I still fail to see what your post has to do with the young woman who was NOT ‘killed by her parents’ in some Greek village by people who were probably not even Catholic (and therefore not abiding by Catholic teaching to begin with).

You seem to imply that she sought death rather than being raped because her parents would have stopped loving her?

 

[stpurl]

You haven’t answered my question. As I have repeatedly said, I do not agree with the parents’ actions, but you have not shown that their action was not ‘out of love’ but purely and simply, in your own words, ‘for themselves, who could not love their daughters after defilement’.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

How can the murder of a daughter be done out of love ?

In the past, the act of being raped carried such a negative stigma, that girls who had been raped often went insane and had to be institutionalized. I knew of such a case.

Today, rape doesn’t carry the negative stigma in society that it did in the past. It’s still a horrible crime, but thankfully, society doesn’t punish the victim as they did in the past.

The parents who threw their daughters off of a cliff rather than see them raped by the approaching enemy, did so because of the negative stigma society had about sex and the girls would be forced to leave their village and live in shame where they’re not known. Keep in mind also, this was a time and culture where prearranged marriages were the norm and girls had little say in how they’d live out their lives.

This was the negative attitude society as a whole had about sex in general and was enforced by religion like Orthodox and Catholic Church.

I think we’ve evolved on this issue.

 

[Anicette]

Nothing to do with this caseof this young girl. It is very offensive for her to make such a comparaison.

1. murder is never permissible, and not to kill your child for him escape a great suffering.
2. suicide, in name of honor or any reason is always a great evil.

 

[Anicette]

@JimR-OCDS,

Nothing to do with this caseof this young girl. It is very offensive for her to make such a comparaison.

1. murder is never permissible, and not to kill your child for him escape a great suffering.
2. suicide, in name of honor or any reason is always a great evil.

 

[fedup19]

I read the 1st part of the article

there are not enough details to say she was a saint. I mean, all people resist rape. If they didn’t, it wouldn’t be rape

so I just don’t get it…