14 year old son wants to be a girl

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Wow.Your son and your family are going through a terrible time.

What is his maternal grandmas personality and demeanour generally like?
Has she made any comments in front of you about his gender etc?
What does she say regarding his statement of being abused by her?
Did she have any male children?
Did your wife experience any unusual behaviour from her mum when she was growing up?

One person mentioned a psychologist who deals with Transgender patients.That sounds like a good idea.
I wouldn’t however recommend taking a “passive approach” and expecting mental health workers or Psychiatrists to be of much help in this area.
If your son was having a Psychosis then they could prescribe an Antipsychotic but don’t expect much more help beyond that as generally they are trained/believe that people who feel trapped in the wrong body should do whatever needed to make themselves happy-ie:gender reassignment.
That said,a Catholic Psychiatrist might have a different outlook.
 
OHes already been hospitalized three times since January for suicidial and holo ideal thoughts, cutting himself (down there), which he did in response to a voice from this cross he drew and prays to (bc he’s mad at God now) and it tells him to do things and the last time was because this cross told him if he wasn’t allowed to wear girl clothes, one of the little ones would get hurt ( by the cross, not him. My husband and I have four children together, 6, 3, 17 months, and 3 weeks)
He has a mental disorder if he is hearing voices saying that if he doesn’t wear women’s clothes one of the other kids will get hurt you need to get him out of the house I am sorry to say but I am very worried for your other kids, also since he was abused he could abuse the other kids my late aunt dated a man whose children had suffered similar situations the oldest boys mother had abused him and he around age 11 began abusing the other 3 kids. If he is insistant upon the gender issues have you investigated that maybe he was born a hermapradite? Like he may have male genitals but have ovaries too or have abnormal amounts of estrogen in his body it’s been medically possible so it might not be his fault he is transgender but the voices are a red flag of a serious mental illness or have you had a priest evaluate him? Voices threatening harm can be demons superstitious and medieval I know but it’s a possibility try deliverance prayers over him in conjunction with his treatments.

St. Dymphna please intercede for this woman and her son and family that he may find help for his disorder and be in peace somehow
 
Okay. So I never went so far as wanting to be a girl, but I still know a thing or two about what that’s like. I went through a phase about 4(!) years ago, where I wanted to wear skirts, paint my nails, grow my hair out, etc. But, like I said, it’s (mostly) just been a phase. It died down within a year or two, and now it’s just that I have nothing against it. So while I don’t feel a need to wear skirts all the time, I’m certainly no stranger to it as an idea. Things like wearing one to dorm government for pants theme, or using one to marginally improve a Halloween costume.

*Dorm gov’t- We always have dress-up themes. We also have a running gag that they always remind us we have to wear pants, meaning pants, shorts, skirts, dresses, anything where you’re not going in your underwear. So when the theme was Pants one week, I loosely defined it like we always do and wore a skirt.

Halloween- My idea is to get a group and go as Hunger Games puns. So a gale/tornado, a slice of pita bread, catnip, etc. I call Gale. The plan is to go as a tornado and use a skirt in the costume to serve two purposes. 1) The tornado wouldn’t suddenly bifurcate at the bottom. 2) My RA this year is religiously opposed to Halloween, so I thought it’d be fun to try to mess with him more in my costume choice. (You can guess which is the real reason and which is the excuse :p)*

So I’d recommend giving it a bit of time. It may very well die off. Although, that said, seeing someone probably wouldn’t be a bad idea. At all. For me, it never got to the point of self-injury. But it is with him, and that’s a whole different psychological ballpark.
I dunno, Razanir. What stood out to me wasn’t so much the gender issues, but the hearing voices and believing that people would be harmed if he didn’t do certain things. That’s beyond worrying. And then there are the underlying abuse issues. While it may simply die down in a few years, it’s just as likely that the situation will escalate from here. He needs to get advanced psychiatric help, and fast, just to make sure he’s not a danger to himself or others.

I’ll be praying for you, OP. I think that’s really all we can do from here.
 
Also, be VERY careful about his internet access. There are tons of sites that promote gender reassignment, and tons of users–and not just on those sites, but unrelated sites, too, who will encourage him to this course of action. And cast you as the bad guys. Oh, and then they’ll congratulate themselves on how they are so broad -minded and freed him from the grip of the “crazy Christian” parents.

Do I sound bitter? You betcha. Happened in my family.

I will be praying for you. God bless.
 
I dunno, Razanir. What stood out to me wasn’t so much the gender issues, but the hearing voices and believing that people would be harmed if he didn’t do certain things. That’s beyond worrying. And then there are the underlying abuse issues. While it may simply die down in a few years, it’s just as likely that the situation will escalate from here. He needs to get advanced psychiatric help, and fast, just to make sure he’s not a danger to himself or others.
Oh, of course. I mentioned at the end that, if nothing else, take him to a specialist for the voices and possible schizophrenia. Perhaps I didn’t make as big a deal of it as I should have… (I just went for longer about the gender issues, since I can somewhat relate)

OP: Even if there’s a chance of the gender issues dieing off, still take your son to a doctor. Hearing threatening voices and self-injury are no laughing matters.
 
I think this situation is way beyond being dealt with on an internet forum.

Please seek further help. Get additional psychiatric opinions. I can speak only for myself but I am way more alarmed by the auditory hallucinations instructing him to harm (which he has followed through on at least himself) than I am about the gender issue. You have waaaay more serious issues than a boy wanting to wear girls’ clothes right now.
 
You might need to consult your priest to absolutely rule out demonic possession. If a Holy image of a cross is telling him to do evil things, then that could be a sign. We think it will never happen to our families because it’s one of those taboo subjects, but it’s all too real.
 
The only thing I can add is those he have a hobby he enjoys? Perhaps something like playing a musical instrument, or crafts or a sport. If he can enjoy one activity and be proud of it, this will give him one outlet to feel good.
 
Once he’s 18, tell him that if he still lives under your roof, then he still has to obide by the same rules as before. So, if he wants to dress like a girl all the time, he can get his own apartment.
This is the kind of advice which causes transgender individuals to be alienated from the Church, end up on the street, prostitute themselves or even commit suicide. It makes me sick.

No, do not disown your adult child over gender issues.
This might sound a bit weird, but taking him to a good psychologist with experience with transgender patients may actually be the best thing. The reason it isn’t crazy is because any competent psychologist would work through the abuse first and the prior experience would expedite establishing a rapport with your child.
Yes, this is good advice. If the situation is described correctly, and the child hears voices and has a big amount of other, serious psychiatric symptoms, a psychiatrist or psychologist with specialisation in gender identity would have to work through them, before even touching upon any treatment for gender dysphoria. This sounds like one of the cases where it may be caused by other, serious issues.

As I’ve said in other threads, gender therapists aren’t out to feed people hormones. They’re out to help people resolve their issues. If the gender issue is caused by serious mental illness like schizophrenia, dissociative disorder and so on, it is also best resolved by treating that illness. This is why psychiatric evaluation is an absolute requirement before surgery (though not necessarily before HRT).
I dunno, Razanir. What stood out to me wasn’t so much the gender issues, but the hearing voices and believing that people would be harmed if he didn’t do certain things. That’s beyond worrying. And then there are the underlying abuse issues. While it may simply die down in a few years, it’s just as likely that the situation will escalate from here. He needs to get advanced psychiatric help, and fast, just to make sure he’s not a danger to himself or others.
Yes, from the description, my primary thought is severe mental illness - hearing voices is generally a sign of psychosis. Especially if self-injury is involved, the child needs prompt psychiatric attention. Situations like that can escalate fast.
You might need to consult your priest to absolutely rule out demonic possession. If a Holy image of a cross is telling him to do evil things, then that could be a sign. We think it will never happen to our families because it’s one of those taboo subjects, but it’s all too real.
Careful there. If someone is psychotic (which, together with very severe anxiety bordering to psychosis, is the cause of hearing voices in 99.9999999% of the cases), an exorcism will only make the illusion that the voices are real worse. Exorcism should never be taken lightly.

However, I agree, if they or especially the patient worry about such things, by all means speak to the parish priest or even the bishop and request seeing an exorcist. Any sensible bishop would also have a psychologist or psychiatrist evaluate the patient. They would rule out mental illness before (in most cases not) proceeding.

Lastly, to the OP: I will keep you, your child and your family in my prayers. I wish you good luck.
 
As I’ve said in other threads, gender therapists aren’t out to feed people hormones. They’re out to help people resolve their issues. If the gender issue is caused by serious mental illness like schizophrenia, dissociative disorder and so on, it is also best resolved by treating that illness. This is why psychiatric evaluation is an absolute requirement before surgery (though not necessarily before HRT).
 
“As I’ve said in other threads, gender therapists aren’t out to feed people hormones. They’re out to help people resolve their issues. If the gender issue is caused by serious mental illness like schizophrenia, dissociative disorder and so on, it is also best resolved by treating that illness. This is why psychiatric evaluation is an absolute requirement before surgery (though not necessarily before HRT).”

Please bear with me, I am not good at quoting.

Actually, this is a misconception–the idea that patients have to go through a great deal of psychological evaluation (by a genuine psychiatrist) before starting chemical or surgical intervention. Absolutely false.

The individual in our family had a whole constellation of symptoms–not just the gender dysphoria. But the psychologist teamed up with a family practice doc to put him on hormones within weeks. When he was taken to a very respected local psychiatric hospital, his opposite-sex gender identity was reinforced! None of his other problems were even addressed. So, he was discharged more messed up than when he was admitted. However, he was now firmly convinced he was born in the wrong body.

Where is he now? Socially isolated (by his own choice, we tried to reach out to him), can’t relate in a normal fashion to anybody, two suicide attempts (that we know of), essentially, he has missed out on life.

Anyhow, this thread is not about my family, and I don’t want to hijack it, but please, please PLEASE be very careful who has access to your son to put ideas in his head and PLEASE be careful what messages he’s receiving from internet and media.
 
Actually, this is a misconception–the idea that patients have to go through a great deal of psychological evaluation (by a genuine psychiatrist) before starting chemical or surgical intervention. Absolutely false.
I’m sorry, but you’re wrong about this. Accessing transgender healthcare is not done overnight, and the psychiatric evaluation is often not only extensive, but excessive.

It is true that the Standards of Care don’t require therapy to access chemical intervention, even though it is recommended. But even with no therapy, any health worker who refers someone to an endocrinologist has to screen the patient for mental illness that could affect decision-making (basically, rule out delusion).

I’m not simply speaking as a theorist here, but as a trans woman who is currently jumping through hoops to get the necessary treatment. I may live in a conservative country on this (Amnesty, EU and UN have repeatedly accused our government of violating human rights in their treatment of transgender patients), but even in America, you can’t just walk into an endocrinologist’s office and ask for HRT. Take a look at any online transgender forum; they’re generally overcrowded by people who are frustrated over going to therapists and counsellors for ages, yet not receiving the medication they need.

In reality, it is far more common for a transgender patient to commit suicide because of delayed care (sooner or later hope will run out), than for a patient who’s not really transgender to receive it. Guidelines need to be relaxed, not further restricted.
The individual in our family had a whole constellation of symptoms–not just the gender dysphoria. But the psychologist (…) he was now firmly convinced he was born in the wrong body.
I’ll try to tread lightly here, and I’m sorry to hear about your family’s situation; I would not wish being transgender upon anyone.

That said, a constellation of symptoms isn’t abnormal; living with a brain that expects the opposite hormones than what the gonads produce, and that wants to express a different social behavior than what society expects, is torture. Sooner or later, it will cause depressions, anxiety and other problems. I had my first serious depression with suicidal ideation at age 12, and my first (voluntary) stay at a psych ward at age 19. My problems became worse when I repressed everything in my mid-teens because I realized this would not be accepted by my Evangelical surroundings, and my life pretty much went downhill after that. As soon as I accepted myself, problems started to go away; my long-term eating disorder disappeared overnight, for example. I now wish I could have accepted this a lot earlier.

But I’m digressing: My point is that the therapist in question may actually have been right about the individual. They may have concluded that those problems were, indeed, caused by gender dysphoria, not the other way around. In that case, there is no reason why the individual shouldn’t receive HRT. As relatives, you don’t always see the whole story.
Where is he now? Socially isolated (…) essentially, he has missed out on life.
When you reached out to the individual, did you use their chosen name, or insist on their given name? Did you use the pronouns they identify with, or were you sticking to the masculine?

I’m not meaning to interrogate you, but yet, I’ve seen so many stories from the other side, about parents and relatives who allegedly tried to reach out, but simultaneously let it shine through that they would not accept them unless they transitioned back. In those cases, I’m sorry to say I can very well understand why they isolate themselves.

Now if you actually did try to accept them, accepted the name change (if there was one), used the right pronouns, and so on, then I commend you and I’m sorry to hear they made the choice not to relate to you. And I’d have to ask you to forgive my skepticism - but I’ve simply seen too many of these stories to automatically side with the parents or relatives.

The same goes for friends and others, by the way - if friends and others simply refuse to accept them for what they are, it is no wonder many transgender people end up isolated. It is also no wonder why suicides happen. Again, I obviously don’t know if that is the case with this individual’s friends, but it wouldn’t be unheard of.

Lastly, even IF the psychiatrists made the wrong conclusions regarding this individual, and IF the treatment really had the effects you claim (and both would be very big ifs, in my experience), it is not representative of this kind of treatment at all. It would be a rare exception. As I mentioned above, suicide because of doctors stalling the process is vastly more common than being “cheered on”.
Anyhow, this thread is not about my family, and I don’t want to hijack it, but please, please PLEASE be very careful who has access to your son to put ideas in his head and PLEASE be careful what messages he’s receiving from internet and media.
I agree about being careful regarding what kind of health professional they bring their child to, absolutely. I would advise against reparative therapy in absolutely all cases.

If a therapist says they believe HRT and SRS are to be avoided at all costs and should never be done, and/or that transgenderism can be cured through therapy, I would advise staying away at all cost. They simply lack the competence needed to deal with such issues.

But obviously, a therapist should be aware of other, generally acute, conditions (psychosis in particular) which could temporarily cause ideas of being of the other gender. It happens, and in those cases the patient isn’t transgender, and should obviously not receive hormone treatment. If the issues however persist after the problem in question has been treated, it would be time to consider if the gender dysphoria could be real.
 
This child is still considered a minor in all of the states in the USA. I suggest you contact a LARGE TEACHING HOSPITAL with a LARGE PSYCHIATRIC UNIT and find the best possible psychiatrist you can to evaluate this child. There are actual written tests (complex, takes three days to take them) to identify underlying, or overt psychosis. These places are the best option you have. It appears to me that there is SOME psychosis here. I know. I lost a child to complex psychosis and she had gender confusion issues (and was NEVER sexually abused, or in any other way abused, for her entire short life: she died at age 23). You MUST find expert psychiatric help. This child is quite young and is demonstrating serious symptoms. You CAN hospitalize him without his consent at his age (IF the hospital is a sophisticated facility) and attempt to intervene.
I completely agree with this post.
 
Rin, I will keep you in my prayers.
Thank you. I will keep you and your family in my prayers too, if that’s alright.

Also rest assured I have no doubts you’re doing your best for the individual - I asked the questions I did not as criticism, but as things to consider. I often defend parents (and relatives) when I speak to transgender people, and recommend they give them time instead of ending contact, if the climate is sour. I can not know the details of other people’s situations, only my own experience and the experience of those I have spoken to, on both “sides”.
 
“As I’ve said in other threads, gender therapists aren’t out to feed people hormones. They’re out to help people resolve their issues. If the gender issue is caused by serious mental illness like schizophrenia, dissociative disorder and so on, it is also best resolved by treating that illness. This is why psychiatric evaluation is an absolute requirement before surgery (though not necessarily before HRT).”

Please bear with me, I am not good at quoting.

Actually, this is a misconception–the idea that patients have to go through a great deal of psychological evaluation (by a genuine psychiatrist) before starting chemical or surgical intervention. Absolutely false.

The individual in our family had a whole constellation of symptoms–not just the gender dysphoria. But the psychologist teamed up with a family practice doc to put him on hormones within weeks. When he was taken to a very respected local psychiatric hospital, his opposite-sex gender identity was reinforced! None of his other problems were even addressed. So, he was discharged more messed up than when he was admitted. However, he was now firmly convinced he was born in the wrong body.

Where is he now? Socially isolated (by his own choice, we tried to reach out to him), can’t relate in a normal fashion to anybody, two suicide attempts (that we know of), essentially, he has missed out on life.

Anyhow, this thread is not about my family, and I don’t want to hijack it, but please, please PLEASE be very careful who has access to your son to put ideas in his head and PLEASE be careful what messages he’s receiving from internet and media.
A panoply of symptoms can be caused by repression of gender identity. Many places have lots of gate keeping for example in Germany you have to live 1-2 years in that gender before they’ll prescribe hormones. Having to wait a year or more before prescription of hormones is an extremely common experience and some get the run around for years.

Having your child go to a psychologist with experience with transgender people can give your child sufficient hope that it buys you time to work through the other stuff. After the other stuff stuff is dealt with gender dysphoria may or may not go away.
 
Frankly, I’m shocked that some people really believe the root of this poor child’s problem is gender identity. Given the history of abuse and obvious mental illness, isn’t it obvious the cross-dressing and wanting to be a girl are mere symptoms of an enormous underlying issue? This child was not “accidentally born in the wrong body” or whatever explanation. If that were the case, wouldn’t the grandmother be justified in dressing him up like a girl and insisting that he be one? That wouldn’t be abuse; she’d be right! Furthermore, the abuse wouldn’t be perpetuated by taking him to a doctor to prescribe HRT? Because in the past that’s not what he wanted, but now that his mind has accepted this absurd idea as a coping mechanism, now it’s fine?

I’m sorry to hear some doctors are less stringent with their standards in instituting HRT, but according to treatment standards, I can’t imagine any GID-specialist doctor would touch this case with a ten foot pole. There are supposed to be very strict criteria which seeks to rule out other mental illness and situational factors before undergoing gender reassignment surgery. I would think this boy would be ruled out immediately as a candidate.

However. Not all doctors are equally ethical or competent. By taking him to someone who specializes in GID or has extensive work with transgendered individuals, you run the risk of someone failing to examine him thoroughly, or seeing what they want to see, and perpetuating this absurdity. No, you are heading in the wrong direction.

I agree with the advice to find the largest teaching hospital. Don’t rest until someone properly assesses the extent of his OCD and abuse. I will pray for you, OP.
 
Frankly, I’m shocked that some people really believe the root of this poor child’s problem is gender identity. Given the history of abuse and obvious mental illness, isn’t it obvious the cross-dressing and wanting to be a girl are mere symptoms of an enormous underlying issue? This child was not “accidentally born in the wrong body” or whatever explanation. If that were the case, wouldn’t the grandmother be justified in dressing him up like a girl and insisting that he be one? That wouldn’t be abuse; she’d be right!
Being transgender does not preclude one from being sexually abused or from being mentally ill.

Also, no, the grandmother wouldn’t be right even if he is transgender because it sounds like she was, for lack of a better phrase, getting off on dressing him like a girl and treating him like one. By your logical, if part of her sexual abuse of him was dressing him in tuxes or sailor suits and telling him how manly he is, that would have been okay if he’s not transgender.
 
Ok, how about this (let’s consider, while being careful not to break the rule about giving medical advice):

Does anyone on this thread believe the young man’s problems would go away if he were simply allowed to dress and live as a girl?
 
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