18 month old does nothing around me but whine...help!

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Clearly, what you’re doing works for you and your family, so that’s great! However, at 18 months, the OP’s child is definitely old enough to be told “no”; breastfeeding at this age is not an immediate physiologic necessity, as it is for a young infant. The OP needs to work on setting and enforcing boundaries, regardless of her breastfeeding status.

Incidentally, we aren’t all saying that the kid must stop breastfeeding, though the mom may certainly do so if she wishes. Pensmama’s suggestion that it be done only at certain times is a good one; in this way, the child will learn that no means no and that other things can be used for comfort.
Right.

I breastfed my oldest until he was after three, because we both enjoyed it. But I have been much more eager to wean my younger two at an earlier age, though still late in comparison to many other American mothers. At first I felt guilty, but it really gave me an opportunity to learn different ways to bond with my kids and I was able to better attend to the needs of **all **my kids. I have also noticed I tend to be a little “foggy” when I’m nursing round the clock. I don’t mind that for a very young baby, but once baby gets older and eats more solid food we gradually work towards not needing the nursing anymore, and it has worked well for both of us.

An 18 month old does not need to nurse for nourishment, and can be taught to bond with her mother in different ways that aren’t so exhausting for her, which will be good for the whole family.
What does a two-year-old over-achieve at?
Yeeeeeeeeeeeah. I have smart kids, too, but I like to think that I’ve grown enough in humility to know that only a very small part of that likely has anything to do with me. And being “ahead” on milestones means very little at that age, except reassurance that they’ve been reached. 🤷
 
Right.

I breastfed my oldest until he was after three, because we both enjoyed it. But I have been much more eager to wean my younger two at an earlier age, though still late in comparison to many other American mothers. At first I felt guilty, but it really gave me an opportunity to learn different ways to bond with my kids and I was able to better attend to the needs of **all **my kids. I have also noticed I tend to be a little “foggy” when I’m nursing round the clock. I don’t mind that for a very young baby, but once baby gets older and eats more solid food we gradually work towards not needing the nursing anymore, and it has worked well for both of us.

An 18 month old does not need to nurse for nourishment, and can be taught to bond with her mother in different ways that aren’t so exhausting for her, which will be good for the whole family.

Yeeeeeeeeeeeah. I have smart kids, too, but I like to think that I’ve grown enough in humility to know that only a very small part of that likely has anything to do with me. And being “ahead” on milestones means very little at that age, except reassurance that they’ve been reached. 🤷
Being significantly ahead in milestones over his peers and older kids than him is overachieving, and it does speak about his development.
 
Clearly, what you’re doing works for you and your family, so that’s great! However, at 18 months, the OP’s child is definitely old enough to be told “no”; breastfeeding at this age is not an immediate physiologic necessity, as it is for a young infant. The OP needs to work on setting and enforcing boundaries, regardless of her breastfeeding status.

Incidentally, we aren’t all saying that the kid must stop breastfeeding, though the mom may certainly do so if she wishes. Pensmama’s suggestion that it be done only at certain times is a good one; in this way, the child will learn that no means no and that other things can be used for comfort.
Thanks for your reply. Breastfeeding is very important for the relationship of the mother and the child, so it has benefits beyond the nutritional benefits, which are very unique to breastfeeding. In the Biblical times the Jewish as per the culture, Mothers breastfed their babies until they were 4 or 5 years old.

I did certainly see a trend where everyone was suggesting to stop breastfeeding. This is not trivial decision, and it is better that the OP listens to another point of view. Remember that weaning children for the parents’ convenience is not necessarily aligned with the best interest of the child.
 
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Developmental milestones are not achievements anymore?
Not really. They’re just natural child development milestones that all kids experience at their own rate. Unless your kid has started his own business or plays Chopin on the piano, I wouldn’t throw a congratulatory party for your milk glands just yet. First of all, I guarantee you there are any number of kids out there that said more words, ate with chopsticks, learned to dance the Macarena, or improvised new verses of “Elmo’s Song” way earlier than your kid. And statistically, it’s pretty likely that their mother didn’t have the same parent style as you. Secondly, when you have subsequent children, you will most likely continue with the same philosophy that you are comfortable with and experience an entirely different result with a new child that will undoubtable progress and develop at his or her own rate. If your pediatrician really told you that your breastfeeding and attachment parenting caused your baby to start walking a month sooner or held his head up ten degrees above average, he’s giving your the business!
 
Right.

Yeeeeeeeeeeeah. I have smart kids, too, but I like to think that I’ve grown enough in humility to know that only a very small part of that likely has anything to do with me. And being “ahead” on milestones means very little at that age, except reassurance that they’ve been reached. 🤷
I don’t know about the state of my humility level, but I have a decade’s experience of teaching siblings and more often than not, they’re completely different with different learning styles, strengths, weaknesses etc, even though they were raised by the same parents, with the same parenting style.
 
I don’t know about the state of my humility level, but I have a decade’s experience of teaching siblings and more often than not, they’re completely different with different learning styles, strengths, weaknesses etc, even though they were raised by the same parents, with the same parenting style.
Of course, I’m not exactly the same parent I was with just one, but otherwise–yeah. One kid learned to talk a lot earlier than the other; the slower talker was better with puzzles and drawing than the fast talker; one kid seems more musical; etc. (My third kid is only 5 months.) None of them were composing symphonies or writing novels, but they seem reasonably bright, happy, affectionate, and well-behaved (most of the time), so I think they’re okay.
 
Of course, I’m not exactly the same parent I was with just one, but otherwise–yeah. One kid learned to talk a lot earlier than the other; the slower talker was better with puzzles and drawing than the fast talker; one kid seems more musical; etc. (My third kid is only 5 months.) None of them were composing symphonies or writing novels, but they seem reasonably bright, happy, affectionate, and well-behaved (most of the time), so I think they’re okay.
I would imagine so. It’s not a race! And being first to stack a tower or walk up stairs is hardly any kind of indicator of whether a toddler will grow up to be an intelligent, kind, hard-working, or mentally stable person.
 
Being significantly ahead in milestones over his peers and older kids than him is overachieving, and it does speak about his development.
umm… Exactly what are these milestones? The most advance a two year old can be in anything ahead of his peers is exactly 2 years, which is really a short time over a whole life. Just because a kid walks early does not make him/her an Olympic athelete. Just because a kid can say the alphabet early, does not make him/her a great scholar

Angie
 
Thanks for your reply. Breastfeeding is very important for the relationship of the mother and the child, so it has benefits beyond the nutritional benefits, which are very unique to breastfeeding. .
Perhaps for infants. But with the second and subseequent child, mom has less one on one time with the baby and simply can not give those children the same attention. Am I to conclude that only oldest children can be high achievers?
In the Biblical times the Jewish as per the culture, Mothers breastfed their babies until they were 4 or 5 years old. .
I though that was because they didn’t have fridged to keep the milk in.
Remember that weaning children for the parents’ convenience is not necessarily aligned with the best interest of the child.
umm… If mom is at the end of her rope, I think weaning the child could be very beneficial to the child
 
Back to the original OP.

I heard of a familty where the kid was a bit older than yours. And what they did was the dad took the kid away for the weekend where the kid HAD to drink bottled milk. The kid came back and was perfectly content to stay on the bottle.

Not sure if this would work in your situation. Just a suggestion

Angie
 
Patavium, I hope you don’t feel offended by some of our replies. I don’t doubt that your little one is doing great, or that you and E_7 are excellent parents!
 
Patavium, I hope you don’t feel offended by some of our replies. I don’t doubt that your little one is doing great, or that you and E_7 are excellent parents!
My intention was not to offend Patavium. However, I think of all the parents who for whatever reason their child is developing slower than average. There is no need to make these parents feel guilty for things that probably in 5 years from now will be water under the bridge

Also, if a kid is only 2 and the mom is already bragging that her child is an ‘over achiever’. my heart bleeds for the pressure that will be put on that kid for the rest of his life

Angie
 
My intention was not to offend Patavium. However, I think of all the parents who for whatever reason their child is developing slower than average. There is no need to make these parents feel guilty for things that probably in 5 years from now will be water under the bridge

Also, if a kid is only 2 and the mom is already bragging that her child is an ‘over achiever’. my heart bleeds for the pressure that will be put on that kid for the rest of his life

Angie
What pressure Angie? Do you know what baby led and attachment parenting is? You should look it up. It is the opposite of “convenience” parenting where children are trained and expected to conform for the convenience of the parents.
 
Patavium, I hope you don’t feel offended by some of our replies. I don’t doubt that your little one is doing great, or that you and E_7 are excellent parents!
Heidi,

Thanks!. You are very nice. Don’t worry about us feeling offended. I’ve been posting in this forum for several years and have been aware of the condition of Family Life forum in the recent years.
 
Not really. They’re just natural child development milestones that all kids experience at their own rate. Unless your kid has started his own business or plays Chopin on the piano, I wouldn’t throw a congratulatory party for your milk glands just yet. First of all, I guarantee you there are any number of kids out there that said more words, ate with chopsticks, learned to dance the Macarena, or improvised new verses of “Elmo’s Song” way earlier than your kid. And statistically, it’s pretty likely that their mother didn’t have the same parent style as you. Secondly, when you have subsequent children, you will most likely continue with the same philosophy that you are comfortable with and experience an entirely different result with a new child that will undoubtable progress and develop at his or her own rate. If your pediatrician really told you that your breastfeeding and attachment parenting caused your baby to start walking a month sooner or held his head up ten degrees above average, he’s giving your the business!
🤷

No wonder, gifted children encounter such difficulty with current parenting styles. There is substantial evidence between the link of breastfeeding and the cognitive development of a child. A simple search in Google Scholar should point this out. 👍
 
It seems like she may have missed nursing - and you - all day, and yes, knowing she cannot get nursing (or perhaps anything like that closeness) from Grandma - its a relief when you walk in the door, finally! And she wants nursing likely because its close and intimate, her and Mommy, total focus… Just because she was “good” all day does not mean that inside she was not longing for and missing Mommy.

I nursed and followed Dr. Sears Attachment parenting when my son was young. It appealed to me and seemed right. I nursed until into his third year - but by that time it was mostly just at before bedtime, and he weaned by “forgetting” about nursing… I did not remind him, thinking it was self-weaning and I’d let it be - but after a week, or two, or three, when he remembered and there was nothing and was so surprised and disappointed - oh, I felt bad!

I think by 18 months - and certainly times before that - there was this sense of being tired at times of having this child always attached. Reading Dr. Sears Baby Book always inspired me to keep at it, also the example other Mom’s at Le Leche League meetings inspired me. It helps to have inspiration when it seems like all the other adults in the world are walking around independently without an attached child! (The grass is always greener…). Yet every single occupation a person has gets tiresome at times! And there were all those wonderful moments, which it helps to document with pictures or journaling…

I remember that I had the only child in the 0-2 age range at my (Protestant) church that would not go to the nursery during the service. Then my son’s father insisted, and luckily there was a nice grandma there who held him the whole time while he cried, until he finally stopped, but he did not want to be put down so she held him. I was grateful to her (as I secretly checked up at the nursery door window). It took awhile for him to adjust to Sundays in the toddler room, but he did. The other moms and grandmas expressed a bit of alarm at his clingyness, and would tell how they thought it was important for a baby to be “independent”. But I clung to Dr. Sears advice that meeting ALL a baby’s attachment needs as they express those needs when they are young makes them* more* independent, later, because they are not insecure as older children, still looking to get those unmet attachment needs met.

Well it worked that way, because he very soon became a very independent child, more so than most any other child I met, and was always rather fearless - I noticed this especially when he was middle and high school, and I would always be surprised by his friends’ many fears of things - it was always a surprise because my son didn’t have these… I really do think that my responding to every cry or complaint for Mommy’s comfort when he was a baby/toddler had a lot to do with that. So my advice is, be patient a little longer. Very soon she will increase her independence. Your patience will bear fruit. Be proud of yourself, too. You have a very important job, more important than most anybody else’s job - even though they often LOOK more important! It is a job of great dignity and you are surely surrounded by many angels and saints - saints who were once also Moms of little ones, and they remember the very same trials and fatigues of parenting little ones.
 
It seems like she may have missed nursing - and you - all day, and yes, knowing she cannot get nursing (or perhaps anything like that closeness) from Grandma - its a relief when you walk in the door, finally! And she wants nursing likely because its close and intimate, her and Mommy, total focus… Just because she was “good” all day does not mean that inside she was not longing for and missing Mommy.

I nursed and followed Dr. Sears Attachment parenting when my son was young. It appealed to me and seemed right. I nursed until into his third year - but by that time it was mostly just at before bedtime, and he weaned by “forgetting” about nursing… I did not remind him, thinking it was self-weaning and I’d let it be - but after a week, or two, or three, when he remembered and there was nothing and was so surprised and disappointed - oh, I felt bad!

I think by 18 months - and certainly times before that - there was this sense of being tired at times of having this child always attached. Reading Dr. Sears Baby Book always inspired me to keep at it, also the example other Mom’s at Le Leche League meetings inspired me. It helps to have inspiration when it seems like all the other adults in the world are walking around independently without an attached child! (The grass is always greener…). Yet every single occupation a person has gets tiresome at times! And there were all those wonderful moments, which it helps to document with pictures or journaling…

I remember that I had the only child in the 0-2 age range at my (Protestant) church that would not go to the nursery during the service. Then my son’s father insisted, and luckily there was a nice grandma there who held him the whole time while he cried, until he finally stopped, but he did not want to be put down so she held him. I was grateful to her (as I secretly checked up at the nursery door window). It took awhile for him to adjust to Sundays in the toddler room, but he did. The other moms and grandmas expressed a bit of alarm at his clingyness, and would tell how they thought it was important for a baby to be “independent”. But I clung to Dr. Sears advice that meeting ALL a baby’s attachment needs as they express those needs when they are young makes them* more* independent, later, because they are not insecure as older children, still looking to get those unmet attachment needs met.

Well it worked that way, because he very soon became a very independent child, more so than most any other child I met, and was always rather fearless - I noticed this especially when he was middle and high school, and I would always be surprised by his friends’ many fears of things - it was always a surprise because my son didn’t have these… I really do think that my responding to every cry or complaint for Mommy’s comfort when he was a baby/toddler had a lot to do with that. So my advice is, be patient a little longer. Very soon she will increase her independence. Your patience will bear fruit. Be proud of yourself, too. You have a very important job, more important than most anybody else’s job - even though they often LOOK more important! It is a job of great dignity and you are surely surrounded by many angels and saints - saints who were once also Moms of little ones, and they remember the very same trials and fatigues of parenting little ones.
Thanks for sharing. 👍 God bless.
 
Also, if a kid is only 2 and the mom is already bragging that her child is an ‘over achiever’. my heart bleeds for the pressure that will be put on that kid for the rest of his life

Angie
Yeah, and particularly since the term “over achiever” is generally used to describe someone who is obsessed with perfection to the exclusion of a healthy, balanced life. Being an “over achiever”, as opposed to being “advanced” or “above average”, is not something that one should aspire to.
 
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