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The 1901 American Standard Version is the American edition of the “Revised Version” which was a revision of the “Authorized Version” (King James Version).
The Revised Standard Version and the New American Standard Bible are revisions of the ASV.
I’m wondering what people think of this translation?
I know it lacks the Deuterocanon, but one could just refer to the Douay-Rheims (which is written in the same archaic style)
I’ve been debating for a while now whether or not to get a RSV-CE which is a little archaic when referring to God. The RSV-2CE eliminates most of it except for the Lord’s Prayer.
However, there are little things that have bugged me about the RSV-CE. Much to my surprise, these problems are not in the ASV.
Here’s what I found interesting (comparing it to the RSV-CE):
Genesis 12:3 (RSV) “…and by you all the families of the earth shall bless themselves.”
Genesis 12:3 (ASV) “…and in thee shall all the families of the earth be blessed.”
Genesis 9:20 (RSV) “Noah was the first tiller of the soil. He planted a vineyard”
Genesis 9:20 (ASV) “And Noah began to be a husbandman, and planted a vineyard:”
Psalm 45:6 (RSV) “Your divine throne endures for ever and ever.”
Psalm 45:6 (ASV) "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: "
Psalm 139:14 (RSV) “…for thou art fearful and wonderful…”
Psalm 139:14 (ASV) “…for I am fearfully and wonderfully made…”
**Isaiah 7:14 (RSV) “…young woman…”
Isaiah 7:14 (ASV) “…virgin…”
**
Matthew 19:5 (RSV) “…one”
Matthew 19:5 (ASV) “…one flesh”
Matthew 20:15 (RSV) “…Or do you begrudge my generosity?”
Matthew 20:15 (ASV) “… or is thine eye evil, because I am good?”
Hebrews 2:10 (RSV) “…should make the pioneer of their salvation perfect through suffering.”
Hebrews 2:10 (ASV) “…to make the author of their salvation perfect through sufferings.”
The ASV is also consistent in translating ῥαββί as “Rabbi.”
For some strange reason, the RSV translators decided to change it to “Master” in the Gospel of Mark and kept it “Rabbi” elsewhere
I’ve also looked at other critical verses: John 1:1; 2 Thessalonians 2:15; 1 Timothy 3:1,15; Titus 1:6; James 5:16; and they all checked out
Not surprising, Luke 1:28 reads “Hail, thou that art highly favored, the Lord is with thee.”
but even Catholic Bibles – JB, NJB, NAB – also translate it such
Of course it also reads “Verily” instead of “Amen” and “Hallelujah” instead of “Alleluia”
It has other problems:
One is the archaic language. The RSV-CE retains some but only when talking to God. The ASV goes King James style. For example Luke 18:16 “…Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not…”
However the Douay-Rheims is also archaic and I really don’t mind
It renders יהוה as “Jehovah” instead of the traditional “LORD.”
Being translated from the Hebrew, I also don’t mind. I know “Jehovah” is probably from combining YHWH with the Hebrew vowels from Adonai. But, like the Jews, when I see “Jehovah” I’ll think “Lord”
The textual basis is outdated and it was published before the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered. Then again, so was the RSV, mostly.
The biggest problem with the ASV is of course the fact it is not an approved Catholic Bible and lacks the Deuterocanon.
I don’t think it ever could have been approved since it was published in 1901 and the Divino Afflante Spiritu was issued in 1943. The first approved Protestant Bible was an edited version of the RSV in 1966. The NRSV wasn’t even edited to be approved! (kinda, the NRSV-CE was a little edited for the Canadian lectionary)
The Revised Standard Version and the New American Standard Bible are revisions of the ASV.
I’m wondering what people think of this translation?
I know it lacks the Deuterocanon, but one could just refer to the Douay-Rheims (which is written in the same archaic style)
I’ve been debating for a while now whether or not to get a RSV-CE which is a little archaic when referring to God. The RSV-2CE eliminates most of it except for the Lord’s Prayer.
However, there are little things that have bugged me about the RSV-CE. Much to my surprise, these problems are not in the ASV.
Here’s what I found interesting (comparing it to the RSV-CE):
Genesis 12:3 (RSV) “…and by you all the families of the earth shall bless themselves.”
Genesis 12:3 (ASV) “…and in thee shall all the families of the earth be blessed.”
Genesis 9:20 (RSV) “Noah was the first tiller of the soil. He planted a vineyard”
Genesis 9:20 (ASV) “And Noah began to be a husbandman, and planted a vineyard:”
Psalm 45:6 (RSV) “Your divine throne endures for ever and ever.”
Psalm 45:6 (ASV) "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: "
Psalm 139:14 (RSV) “…for thou art fearful and wonderful…”
Psalm 139:14 (ASV) “…for I am fearfully and wonderfully made…”
**Isaiah 7:14 (RSV) “…young woman…”
Isaiah 7:14 (ASV) “…virgin…”
**
Matthew 19:5 (RSV) “…one”
Matthew 19:5 (ASV) “…one flesh”
Matthew 20:15 (RSV) “…Or do you begrudge my generosity?”
Matthew 20:15 (ASV) “… or is thine eye evil, because I am good?”
Hebrews 2:10 (RSV) “…should make the pioneer of their salvation perfect through suffering.”
Hebrews 2:10 (ASV) “…to make the author of their salvation perfect through sufferings.”
The ASV is also consistent in translating ῥαββί as “Rabbi.”
For some strange reason, the RSV translators decided to change it to “Master” in the Gospel of Mark and kept it “Rabbi” elsewhere
I’ve also looked at other critical verses: John 1:1; 2 Thessalonians 2:15; 1 Timothy 3:1,15; Titus 1:6; James 5:16; and they all checked out
Not surprising, Luke 1:28 reads “Hail, thou that art highly favored, the Lord is with thee.”
but even Catholic Bibles – JB, NJB, NAB – also translate it such
Of course it also reads “Verily” instead of “Amen” and “Hallelujah” instead of “Alleluia”
It has other problems:
One is the archaic language. The RSV-CE retains some but only when talking to God. The ASV goes King James style. For example Luke 18:16 “…Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not…”
However the Douay-Rheims is also archaic and I really don’t mind
It renders יהוה as “Jehovah” instead of the traditional “LORD.”
Being translated from the Hebrew, I also don’t mind. I know “Jehovah” is probably from combining YHWH with the Hebrew vowels from Adonai. But, like the Jews, when I see “Jehovah” I’ll think “Lord”
The textual basis is outdated and it was published before the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered. Then again, so was the RSV, mostly.
The biggest problem with the ASV is of course the fact it is not an approved Catholic Bible and lacks the Deuterocanon.
I don’t think it ever could have been approved since it was published in 1901 and the Divino Afflante Spiritu was issued in 1943. The first approved Protestant Bible was an edited version of the RSV in 1966. The NRSV wasn’t even edited to be approved! (kinda, the NRSV-CE was a little edited for the Canadian lectionary)
. I also like that its in the public domain now, copyright ran out.