1962 Missal Vs the 1950s

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A quick question.

How much difference would there be between a daily Missal published in 1957 and the 1962 version? And what (roughly) would the differences be?

Thank you.
 
Wait, I thought that the TLM remained constant and unchanged from the Council of Trent on. You mean there were changes to the Missal before Pope Paul VI?
 
brockmac said:
Wait, I thought that the TLM remained constant and unchanged from the Council of Trent on. You mean there were changes to the Missal before Pope Paul VI?
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The rubrics were simplified. Also, St. Joseph’s name was added to the Canon, the Second Confiteor was removed, and I think that there might have been some changes as to when the Last Gospel and Prayers at the Foot of the Altar might not be said.

While the Mass before Vatican II was codified at the Council of Trent, it did go through revisions and changes over the course of time. The Prayers at the Foot of the Altar were not officially added until after the Council, and the Triduum rituals went through a radical change in 1955. There was an understanding that a more general reform would eventually be done on the Roman Missal and Breviary, and one debate between Traditionalists and non-Traditionalists is how well Vatican II fullfilled this. The reform was first called for at the Council of Trent, where there was a desire to return the Mass to the way it was in the days of the early Church, but they didn’t have the resources available at the time to do that. Wikipedia and New Advent have good articles that explain this well.
 
brockmac said:
Wait, I thought that the TLM remained constant and unchanged from the Council of Trent on. You mean there were changes to the Missal before Pope Paul VI?
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Yes, Popes Clement VIII, Urban VIII, Leo XIII, Pius X, and John XXIII all made some changes.
asteroid said:
How much difference would there be between a daily Missal published in 1957 and the 1962 version? And what (roughly) would the differences be?
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Most of the changes in the 1962 missal pertain to certain days or types of masses, such as a funeral mass or solemn high mass. As far as I know, the only differences in the 1962 missal that would pertain to every mass are:
  • St. Joseph was added to list of saints in the canon
  • The confiteor is not said before communion (curiously, in many masses today where the 1962 missal is used this confiteor is kept, however).
 
cam100 said:
The confiteor is not said before communion (curiously, in many masses today where the 1962 missal is used this confiteor is kept, however).
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If the second Confiteor is used, then this is not the 1962 Missal, since it is not in there. I know some older priests may say it, but generally speaking, people that use an older Missal are not in Communion with Rome.

I think another change that was made was in the classification of feasts in the Liturgical Calendar.
 
NicPais83 said:
If the second Confiteor is used, then this is not the 1962 Missal, since it is not in there.
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Just because the servers recite the pre-communion confiteor doesn’t mean that the priest isn’t using the 1962 missal. At the (diocese-approved!) church I normally attend, the 1962 missal is definitely used, but the servers still recite the extra confiteor.
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I know some older priests may say it, but generally speaking, people that use an older Missal are not in Communion with Rome.
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Well, I think this is incorrect since groups such as FSSP use the 1962 missal, as well as those diocesan priests who say the Extraordinary Form.
 
cam100 said:
Well, I think this is incorrect since groups such as FSSP use the 1962 missal, as well as those diocesan priests who say the Extraordinary Form.
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The 1962 Missal does not have the second Confiteor in it. As an Altar Boy for the Extraordinary Form, I have only ever recited the second Confiteor when a certain older priest says Mass. However, this is more of a concession to him since that is how he learned the Mass. After we receive Communion, if not holding the paten for the priest, we are, however, instructed to kneel at the foot of the Altar and recite it silently to ourselves, but this is not the same thing as the second Confiteor. The second Confiteor was said just after the priest drank the Precious Blood and before the Altar Boys receive.

I never said that groups that use the 1962 Missal are not in Communion, since the Mass I attend is a valid EF Mass approved by the local Bishop. I also do not have anything against the OF, since I grew up with it and find it beautiful also. What I was saying is that groups that use an older Missal (meaning 1955, etc.) are generally not in Communion with Rome since usually that is done as a way of saying that John XXIII was not a valid Pope.
 
asteroid said:
A quick question.

How much difference would there be between a daily Missal published in 1957 and the 1962 version? And what (roughly) would the differences be?

Thank you.
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The differences are mostly in the rubrics, since 1956 already introduced most of the major changes. There is little change to the words of the texts being spoken. I wrote about some of the changes here, but there were MANY more rubrical ones and minor changes not listed.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=2415018

Several texts were deleted from the ‘pro aliquibus locis’ section of the missal following the instruction on Particular Calendars in 1961. Also the Finding of Holy Cross, St. John before the Latin gate, Apparition of St. Michael, St. Peter’s Chains, Finding of St. Stephen, Chair of St. Peter at Antioch were moved to this section and suppressed on the Universal Calendar.

There are also certain texts newly inserted into the missal such as among the Votive Masses - for ritual functions like the blessing of an abbot/abbess, consecration of virgins, profession of religious, reconciliation of a church/cemetery, for vocations. The prayer for the Roman Emperor among the Votive Collects is replaced by a prayer (Collect, Secret, Postcommunion) for civil authorities.

Many things and terms throughout the missal are retitled. For example, “Introit” becomes “Ant. at the Introit”, and similarly the Offertory and Communion are retitled. Even Masses- the Mass “pro sponso et sponsa” become “pro sponsis”; “contras paganos” becomes “pro Ecclesiae defensione” and so on.
 
The Second Confiteor is suppressed in the General Rubrics and the reference to it is removed from the Ritus Servandus section dealing with Communion.

Those Masses where it is followed claim various authorities such as custom and indults for continuing with it.
 
Thanks everyone for your help.

I only asked as there is a possibility for me right now to buy a nice missal from 1957 - far cheaper than a 1962 one would set me back. Since the changes aren’t radical I might just see about purchasing it and then get a 1962 edition later.

It’s not an urgent thing really. As far as I know it would be impossible for me to attend a Tridentine Mass round here. If I had a car then there is (or was) one, monthly, about 40 miles away but using public transport I’d have to leave on Saturday to get there in time on Sunday!

Blessings.
 
I don’t think much was changed other than spelling or grammatical errors. It went virtually unchanged since 1570, right after the Council of Trent.
 
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