1967 Mass

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Ok, see, I told you guys it was a “transitional” Mass and it only got worse in 1967. Frankly, I was surprised that DW had this Missal. She says that she got it when she was a freshman in college and went to daily Mass.

As for me, the English translations of the Latin are far more faithful to the Latin than what we have today.
 
In my perspective (not as someone who had firsthand experience of the these changes, although I would consider myself well-read on the subject) the traditional Mass was gradually butchered over 5 years to prepare people for the full-blown Novus Ordo (as if it takes 5 years for people to forget a Rite that has changed little over 1500 years). The translations may have been better then, but these transitional Missals effectively mutilated the Mass.

As a side note, I can follow along with a 1962 TLM in my 1955 Missal perfectly fine.
 
Caesar said:
No joke. In all honesty I would rather have a reverant, traditional Novus Ordo then a mutilated TLM.
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Um, if you actually look at brotherhrolf’s list, with regard to the texts (not rubrics), the thing missing is the Last Gospel and Prayers after the Mass (and yes, though he didn’t mention the Prayers at the Foot of the Altar were omitted when liturgical functions preceded the Mass-which is only slightly expnaded form the 1962 missal). Is that all the texts it takes to remove from the TLM Ordinary for people to want a NO? :eek: 😉

(and a very tiny correction, brotherhrolf: the communion antiphon has not disappeared from the NO. I hear at daily Mass every day)
 
I have a peoples mass book from 1966 and the vernacular in this particular book is almost identical to that used on the right hand page (English translation) of my 1962 missal. Very stately and reverent English, better sounding even than the snippets I’ve seen of the forthcoming English N.O. translation.
 
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Woah! DW has a copy of the St. Joseph’s Missal from 1966!

Here is the Ordinary of the Mass:

" While the priest recites the Prayers at the foot of the Altar with the misisters or server, the people usually recite or sing the Introit Antiphon and/or an Entrance hymn. (They may also recite the server’s parts)."

Latin: Introibo ad alatre Dei.

This was immediately followed by the Confiteor (again, in Latin).

[So the TLM prayers at the foot of the altar had already been abbreviated].

Petition for the remission of sins in Latin.

Introit - Kyrie X 3 as per the TLM.

Gloria - In Latin. English translation of Gloria in Missal far different from the Gloria of today.

Prayer - in Latin.

Epistle - in English. No communal acclamation. Server: Latin. Deo gratias.

Gradual - Priest: Lavaba me.

Gospel Acclamation: - Latin
After the Gospel. No communal acclamation. Server: Laus tibi, Christe. (not exactly Praise to you Lord Jesus Christ is it).

Missal - “Sermon or Homily”.

Creed - Latin. Again, a vastly different translation from the Latin then we use today.

Prayer of the Faithful:- Latin.

Offertory prayers - English.

Orate Fratres - Latin. English translation in Missal different from what we use today.

Preface - Latin. English responses different from today.

Sanctus - Latin. English translation different from today.

Canon- TLM Latin. (No Eucharistic acclamation)

(No great acclamation)

Pater Noster - Latin

No sign of peace. “At the breaking of the Host” Per omnia saecula saeculorum - Amen. Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum - People Et cum spiritu tuo.

Agnus Dei - Latin.``

Communion of the Priest- Latin.

Communion of the Faithful - Latin.

People (3 times) Domine, non sum dignus ut intres sub tectum mem sed tantum dic verbo, et sanabiture anima mea.

Ablutions - Latin.

Communion antiphon (This is gone in the NO)

Prayer after Communion - Latin.

Dismissal - Latin.

Ite, missa est. Deo gratias.

No Last Gospel no prayer to St. Michael. No prayer for the conversion of Russia.

The Mass in 1966 folks…immediately after V II.
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My brother (younger than I and then studying to become a server) was very happy when they removed Psalm 42. I guess it was too much Latin for him to study.

To this day, I don’t know why they removed Psalm 42 and the Last Gospel. Good thing it was Pope JPII’s (or rather Pope John XXIII’s) 1962 Missal that has now become the standard for the TLM movement.
 
The “and with your spirit” may be difficult to enforce. People are too used to saying it the other way. It’s almost automatic, like saying “hello.”
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…or singing “On Eagles’ Wings”…
 
BobP123 said:
My brother (younger than I and then studying to become a server) was very happy when they removed Psalm 42. I guess it was too much Latin for him to study.

To this day, I don’t know why they removed Psalm 42 and the Last Gospel. Good thing it was Pope JPII’s (or rather Pope John XXIII’s) 1962 Missal that has now become the standard for the TLM movement.
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My uncle, who is a priest, told me the reason they removed the Last Gospel and prayers after Mass was because they had been added on over time and are not part of the Mass. He said they wanted to stop adding devotionals to the end of the Mass.

I didn’t ask him about Psalm 42. I think they should at *least * keep in the “introibo ad altare Dei, ad Deum qui laetificat juventutem meum” in it. I mean, what more appropriate way could there be to start the Mass than with, “I will go unto the altar of God”?

In Christ,
Rand
 
Why reply to a topic that is over 3 years old? If you like to share new information I recommend starting new topic. 🙂
 
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