1P5 Article "2019-20 TLM Survey: What We Learned About Latin Mass Attending Young Adults"

[Peeps]

Add to that the damage done by the election of Donald Trump, which has turned younger people off to religion as a whole.

I was with you until this.

The statement is ridiculous and, IMO, offensive.

Really, now, were young people dashing to churches while Pres. Obama was in office? Really?

Do you honestly think that young people would have been rushing back to church if Secy of State Clinton had been elected instead of Donald Trump?!!! Really??

And will they rush back to the church if Vice Pres. Biden wins the Presidency?

I doubt it. I don’t think that the President has a whole lot of influence over young people and their choice of accepting or rejecting religion. Pres. Carter is quite beloved, even by non-Democrats and definitely by many young people, and Pres. Carter is still very much alive and active in his church–but this doesn’t seem to be making his young (or older) fans head to church.

Think it through, please.

And if Vice Pres. Biden is elected, I will look forward to seeing the thousands of young people heading to church!

 

[Jbrady]

Really, now, were young people dashing to churches while Pres. Obama was in office? Really?

Read what I wrote. Not what you think I wrote.

Obama, Clinton, and Biden have had no particular impact on the public perception of religion, positive or negative. Trump has had a MAJOR impact. That’s the difference.

A lot of people, especially young people, have soured on the whole idea of religion specifically because of the unabashed support that White Evangelicals (and conservative Catholics) have given Trump. Trump is a tar baby that religious conservatives will never be able to dislodge. He has become a permanent key element of White Evangelicalism and of conservative Christianity in general.

Now think about it.

 

[Emeraldlady]

Emeraldlady:

The Survey confirms that the Traditional Latin Mass is experiencing a high volume of participation and interest in the 18-39 demographic; a demographic noticeably underrepresented in modern Novus Ordo Mass parishes.

Maybe so, in your experience, but 3/4, or possibly more than that, of the heads in the majority of churches that I’ve attended in the past ten years have gray, white, or practically no hair. What will those churches be like in another ten years? Or twenty. Will they even exist?

I’m hopeful that the evangelisation efforts of priests from Africa and Asia coming here will be part of the renewal of the Church in the West. We will have to overcome some systemic prejudices to accept this situation but I personally see it as a return to an ancient respect for the universality of Christ.

 

[adamhovey1988]

Yep, you’re right, I am. But, I am at least going to admit that fact. I think there is a little bit of Latinolatry out there. I don’t care people like Latin Mass (I go, sometimes), I DO care that many TLM folks turn their noses up at “Novus Ordo” folks. It’s not like the Church hasn’t had diversity in liturgy since the first century. Coughs St. Thomas Christians. Actually, I have bigger problems with One Peter Five than how they feel about the Latin Mass or not. I have to be honest; I prefer Byzantine liturgy to Latin Mass, it’s every bit as ancient, and the Church has used it about as long as the Latin Mass. But that doesn’t mean I can’t like the Novus Ordo, the Latin Mass, and the Byzantine Divine Liturgy.

 

[stpurl]

It’s interesting that so many of the priests from Africa and Asia have a devotion to the TLM.

What I don’t understand is how some could look at the TLM and think that it did not ‘foster ancient respect for the universality of Christ”. . .

I mean, for the last 500 years i.e. since Trent, are we to understand that the millions of people in Europe, South America, Africa, and Asia as well as North America and Australia were somehow deprived —because that Mass was in “Latin”, of the incredibly important idea that Christ was universal?

I just do not see how people. . .let’s give them names to make it more universal. . .like Charles Darwin, Florence Nightingale, Abraham Lincoln, George Washington, Jane Austen, Louisa May Alcott, Jane Addams, Willa Cather, Ernest Hemingway, Father Damien of Molokai, Charles De Gaulle, Dorothy Day, Dorothy L Sayers, C.S. Lewis, Edith Wharton, Captain Cook, Queen Liliuokalani, U.S. Grant, Archbishop Carroll, Richard Sheridan, William Shakespeare, the Bronte sisters, etc. all lived when walking into a Catholic Church and attending Mass, said in Latin, would have had them shaking their heads and murmuring how ‘disrespectful’ Catholics were in particularizing Christ to this ‘dead language’.

 

[stpurl]

Adam, please. MANY turn up their noses?

At the risk of the usual scream of whataboutism, looking at these forums alone you will see plenty of sneering at TLM and ‘dead language’ and all.

I doubt you know anywhere near a ‘many proportion’ of people who attend TLM so what you are going by is what you are TOLD. You go to a blog or two and look in the comment section and you assume first that the comments are real and not from trolls (many are from trolls) and second, that this represents the ingrained and accepted ‘dogma’ of TLM people and not perhaps a ‘steam blow off’ on one particular time that the person later regrets (like this never happens here on these forums), and that maybe you read 20 negative comments and whoop de doo, that means ‘many TLM’.

I will be the first to say that after reading a few hundred—yes hundred—negative comments about the TLM I can be inclined at first leap to conclusions to think ‘many OF people hate the TLM’ but I would be wrong to think that.

There are a FEW—yes, a FEW—negative Nellies on both sides, but the majority of people are not like that. The only reason that there are some who are extremely negative is that, for the TLM people, they have had decades of really negative behavior and hatred poured on them (still no excuse, nor do I say it is, for them to jump on others) AND—this is very important—-by sheer weight of numbers, since there are so many more people who attend the OF, the VOLUME of people who have a negative view of the TLM based largely on a myriad of factors, some good, some not—that it can SEEM there are lots of negative views of the EF from the OF based on number, instead of using a more correct comparison of ‘proportion’.

But it doesn’t help to solve the problem by perpetuating it.

We have had bad apples on both sides.

Why not just STOP with the negatives and get with the positives?

You don’t like EF or TLM, fine. But as my mom once said, “If you can’t say something nice don’t say anything at all.”

Honest, if people would actually stop thinking that they NEEDED to whinge on everything they personally didn’t like, and to hades with how other people felt, we would be a lot better off as Christians.

 

[Mark121359]

TLM disrupts that natural communion be drawing people with a certain preference out of their local worship communion and sometimes even turns them hostile to their local communion because of the style of the Mass.

Maybe it’s just me, but I wonder…just who is it that’s being hostile???

 

[Emeraldlady]

Emeraldlady:

TLM disrupts that natural communion be drawing people with a certain preference out of their local worship communion and sometimes even turns them hostile to their local communion because of the style of the Mass.

Maybe it’s just me, but I wonder…just who is it that’s being hostile???

I’m responding to the OP claim that TLM folks are superior to us “nofuss ordinary” folks. In my time here I’ve never seen a thread started to claim that “nofuss ordinaries” are better than TLM. If you show me some I’ll happily recant.

 

[stpurl]

The OP claim was that based on a survey (and all the data represented) regarding that sampling at that time, that there appears to be more of an interest and attendance at the TLM now with one particular demographic —18-39 year olds.

How is that claiming the TLM ‘folks’ are ‘superior to nofuss ordinary folks?

Furthermore, my OF Mass is celebrated with plenty of ‘fuss’ meaning attention, and devotion.

I think you read into the article something that you THOUGHT they said rather than what they actually DID say.

If one form of Mass, and I don’t care if it’s EF, OF, Ambrosian, Swahili or whatever is attracting a core demographic, then isn’t that a good thing and shouldn’t we be studying to see how we can incorporate or adapt instead of getting all upset and thinking that ‘our brand’ is being made lesser?