2 baptisms? Water and fire?

[DM_P]

Born again christians say that there are 2 baptisms one is water and the other is fire. They relate this baptism of fire in the tongues of fire that descended to the apostles during pentecost. They believe that baptism by water is separate event from baptism with the spirit. How do i explain this?

 

[Tis_Bearself]

Our Sacrament of Confirmation is equivalent to having people receive the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, as the Apostles did on Pentecost. As this Sacrament is conferred separately from Baptism, it’s also a “separate event” for Catholics.

 

[DM_P]

Thank you! That explains it so well

 

[PJM]

Loos like they believe [modified to their way of thinking] in the CATHOLIC Sacraments of Baptism and Confirmation; just a difference in terminology so as to appear not to approve of catholic practices and beliefs

While there Baptism IF DONE with water and the Holy Spirit is accepted by the RCC, .their second “baptism of fire” is not accepted as valid by the Church. Still it is a good practice for them to seek the Holy Spirit.

God Bless you,
Patrick

 

[De_Maria]

Born again christians say that there are 2 baptisms one is water and the other is fire. They relate this baptism of fire in the tongues of fire that descended to the apostles during pentecost. They believe that baptism by water is separate event from baptism with the spirit. How do i explain this?

There is only one Baptism. It is the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. What we would most closely describe as the Baptism of fire. Because Our God is a consuming fire.

BUT, in this life, we only have access to the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, by Sacramental Baptism which Jesus Christ ordained to be by water.

The Sacramental Baptism, signifies and points to and effects the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

694 Water. The symbolism of water signifies the Holy Spirit’s action in Baptism, since after the invocation of the Holy Spirit it becomes the efficacious sacramental sign of new birth: just as the gestation of our first birth took place in water, so the water of Baptism truly signifies that our birth into the divine life is given to us in the Holy Spirit. As “by one Spirit we were all baptized,” so we are also "made to drink of one Spirit."27 Thus the Spirit is also personally the living water welling up from Christ crucified28 as its source and welling up in us to eternal life.29

696 Fire. While water signifies birth and the fruitfulness of life given in the Holy Spirit, fire symbolizes the transforming energy of the Holy Spirit’s actions. The prayer of the prophet Elijah, who “arose like fire” and whose “word burned like a torch,” brought down fire from heaven on the sacrifice on Mount Carmel.37 This event was a “figure” of the fire of the Holy Spirit, who transforms what he touches. John the Baptist, who goes “before [the Lord] in the spirit and power of Elijah,” proclaims Christ as the one who "will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire."38 Jesus will say of the Spirit: "I came to cast fire upon the earth; and would that it were already kindled!"39 In the form of tongues “as of fire,” the Holy Spirit rests on the disciples on the morning of Pentecost and fills them with himself40 The spiritual tradition has retained this symbolism of fire as one of the most expressive images of the Holy Spirit’s actions.41 "Do not quench the Spirit."42