Thank you. Because I am so new in the faith, I can’t always point to certain things, but I was just thinking yesterday about the burning of heretics. Was that not a church teaching? I’m pretty sure that the Church has changed and not just clarified some teachings, such as its teachings on slavery.
I didn’t know that the Church had ever officially spoken on the matter. Why would the Church tell folks how to go about sinning?
So you are getting this all from an article, a review, of another book? What does any of this have to do with the topic? Or you pro-slavery, or are you just attacking the Catholic Church for what you believe to be a reversal, even though that is not the topic here?
In any case, it is irrelevant. The Church has never been pro-slavery as a moral good so it can not be a “reversal”. It can be a change.
I think that is another example of a reversal in Church teaching. Today it is taught that heretics should not be burned at the stake.
In what official Church document would I find the this teaching?
Exsurge Domine
There was a papal encyclical: Dum Diversas also which is problematical.
I’m afraid the visions I get are more prosaic, or pragmatic. The pastor will appear, or more likely just his talking head, and say what he’s got to say. Since he died, the occasions where he’s turned up and said something were (and in each case he simply disappeared, and incidentally in the cases I’ve marked with an asterisk, all comments had to do with things we’d discussed before he died) -Interesting. And let me say, I believe you. My vision was a one time occurance following a year of strongly feeling his presence at various times. Im not the only one. Several of us who grew up together, and were really tight, had even more pronounced experiences and phenomena physically occur around them during the same year. We all would acknowledge him, and let him know we knew it was him. the last time I saw him or felt his presence was in this vision. I dreamed I was talking to his mother, and He just “appeared” behind her Clothed in white, and the scar on his eye he always had in life from an earlier childhood cancer, fully healed. I knew immediatley what was going on. we talked. he then told me he had something to show me, and that I needed to follow him. He led me past a statue of Christ, and the Blessed Mother, thru a Roman Catholic Chapel. We came to a door, and he told me, I could look in but not enter, This is where he would would be waiting, and to get there, I would have to walk the path he had shown me. the door opened, he dissapeared, I witnessed for a few moments paradise. I have actually discussed this with someone else who has seen it, and our recollections were identical. We can continue this later or p.m. if you wish. God Bless you. This is but One miracoulous event that led me into the Church. There are others. Needless to say, I believe Rome holds all truth. That is what makes this so darn frustrating.Peace and prayers for all.
Nope! The church does not change teachings. Do not confuse doctrine with disciplines.
In what way? Can you give the quote from this that state slavery, not protecting Christianity (which is what the encyclical says), is said to be a moral good? The bull was specifically written to King Alfonso of Portugal to authorize war against the North African Saricens That part of Europe was under serious military threat from Muslims.
pnewton,
The quote from Dum Diversas which is problematical:
Three teachings which have changed:
Hi B1Needless to say, I believe Rome holds all truth. That is what makes this so darn frustrating.
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I don’t think these were dogmatic teachings.
I am not sure of this, but I don’t think the Papal Bull is an ex-cathedra declaration so it is not exactly dogma.
I thought that this thread was in the section “Moral theology”? Wouldn’t these be qualified as moral teachings? And haven’t these moral teachings changed?
Would you mind terribly much showing us where these three purported teachings were, um, listed and taught as binding on the entire Church and given the force of being a part of the Magesterium?
I thought that I already gave the references to the papal bulls. Would you say that moral teachings in papal bulls are not binding on Catholics?
This logic drives people to near insanity. It creates unnecessary suffering in the vulnerable people. Trying to keep justifying something that just isn’t there or doesn’t feel right. It’s dangerous to substitute someone else’s opinions for your own, especially when there is no grounds for them making such generalized, superior claims. If you don’t agree with something, fine. Don’t try to force it. You’re probably disagreeing for a good reason. God gave you this intuition for a reason.