2 disagreements so im not a real Catholic?

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You are a real Catholic. Look at all the people who had it wrong pre-Vatican 2. The church radically changed its ‘interpretation’ of many things (i.e., it changed its beliefs), so who is to say it won’t change the ones you disagree with in the future?
 
estesbob said:
I disagree with the church teaching on prohibiting barrier methods of contraception and their view that the death penalty is acceptable in some cases. However I accept both of them and chalk up my disagreement as a shortcoming that hopefully someday I will be able to resolve. Please note that there is a difference between disagreement and rejection.
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Then it must teach that abortion is acceptable in some cases. Murder is murder. In both cases one is playing God.
 
Owlpride said:
This thread was just what I needed. I am a capitalist. The church doesn’t seem to accept that. I am also pro death penalty.
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You are a thief and a murderer- of course the church doesn’t accept that!
 
fuzzy_logic said:
Then it must teach that abortion is acceptable in some cases. Murder is murder. In both cases one is playing God.
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This is not true on several levels, but I will not bite and go down that path on this thread, as it is not the topic.
 
Tantum_ergo said:
No, because it isn’t really a ‘but’. The teaching is crystal clear --suicide is gravely morally wrong. So it’s not a yes, but.

There is no way you see that suicide ever becomes anything more than gravely morally wrong. Just because the person committing suicide might not be fully ‘aware’ or might have something that ‘compels’ him does not make the action become ‘not wrong.’ It makes the person himself perhaps NOT FULLY RESPONSIBLE for the wrong, but the ‘wrong’ remains.

Same with abortion. It is never anything other than morally wrong, but a woman is practically ‘forced’ into abortion through threats, emotional blackmail, and outright lies about ‘the procedure’ is not the same as a woman who knows this is a child, has everything ‘material’ and psychologically ‘comfortable’ in her life, but who 'doesn’t want to be pregnant now because I want to look good in my bathing suit this summer at the club" and aborts for that reason.

The first woman and the second woman are both committing a great wrong. . . but the first woman may have less culpability than the second. The abortion is not ‘less wrong’ for her though. Equally wrong sin, but not equally culpable people.

So a moral or faith teaching can never turn from “Yes this is good” to "well, it’s sometimes good, sometimes bad’. It can never turn from "This is wrong’ to "this is right.’
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Committing suicide will send you to hell, period. Except when it doesn’t.

fuzzy_logic
 
I was having a hard time with the Church teaching regarding sex in a marriage, (i.e. no oral sex to ejaculation), because obviously my husband was giving me a lot of static about it and for a while, I thought maybe the Church was going TOO FAR by getting into the bedroom.
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Isn’t this (or, wasn’t it) called the “sin of Onan”? And yet it is blatantly obvious that Onan’s sin was in refusing to impregnate his dead brother’s wife as god demanded. So, ejaculating outside of sex really isn’t wrong, and the church is.
 
fuzzy_logic said:
Isn’t this (or, wasn’t it) called the “sin of Onan”? And yet it is blatantly obvious that Onan’s sin was in refusing to impregnate his dead brother’s wife as god demanded. So, ejaculating outside of sex really isn’t wrong, and the church is.
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Also, developing boys and young men often ejaculate in their sleep. Filthy sinners.
 
LilyM said:
Sure, because we all know that 1st-century Jews were so totally steeped in and exposed to Confucian philosophy. They would probably have not even known that such a place as China or such a person as Confucius existed.

And of course we all know that the same 1st-century Jews totally ignored the great Jewish philosopher Hillel saying virtually the same thing at around the time of Jesus’ birth, as other Jewish teachers had before him. :rolleyes:

I’d say BOTH Confucius’ and Jesus’ versions of the ‘Golden Rule’, not to mention the many many others, are based in pure old sound common sense, which crosses borders and cultures.
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Never heard of the ‘Silk Road’??? It had already been around for some time, in the first century.
 
sidbrown said:
I thought that I already gave the references to the papal bulls. Would you say that moral teachings in papal bulls are not binding on Catholics?
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Only on the second Tuesday of August every 33 years lol…
 
estesbob said:
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Hard to have a discussion with one who relies on a secret book only he has to support his claims You comments about marriage were as incorrect as your comments about attending Protestant churches I have posted link to the version of the catechism that was in effect in 1955 and it does not support what you say could you look on the title page and tell us who issued the Nihil Obstat And Impramatur? if it does that’d these you should not trust it as a valid resource about our Faith
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HI Estebob. I found the book in question. and…Im starting another thread. It is entitled Instructions for Non-Catholics, by Parish Priest. Nihil Obstat: Rev. Edward B. Brueggeman, S. J. Censor Liborum
Imprimature+Samuel Cardinal Stritch, Archbishop of Chicago.
March 17 1954
Insturctions for Non-Catholics is a series of lessons in religion that have been taught for many years in several parishes in the Archdiocese of Chicago.
The book is written for two reasons:
1rst-To help the Non-Catholic to a clear knowledge of the Catholic Faith
2nd-To direct the Non-Catholic step by step, while he is taking instructions, to a Practice of the faith.
See ya on the new thread. 🙂
 
benidict said:
HI Estebob. I found the book in question. and…Im starting another thread. It is entitled Instructions for Non-Catholics, by Parish Priest. Nihil Obstat: Rev. Edward B. Brueggeman, S. J. Censor Liborum
Imprimature+Samuel Cardinal Stritch, Archbishop of Chicago.
March 17 1954
Insturctions for Non-Catholics is a series of lessons in religion that have been taught for many years in several parishes in the Archdiocese of Chicago.
The book is written for two reasons:
1rst-To help the Non-Catholic to a clear knowledge of the Catholic Faith
2nd-To direct the Non-Catholic step by step, while he is taking instructions, to a Practice of the faith.
See ya on the new thread. 🙂
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Thanks for the information and thank you for your service to our counrty. Be careful when you get back to Iraq! You will be in my prayers.
 
Peepers said:
When you head out, brother?
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Benedic is one who is heading out dear rock. I’m heading out also but to Yucatán Peninsula of Mexico where will it will hopefully be a little safer than that Baghdad.
 
Peepers said:
When you head out, brother?
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I head out tomorrow brother. I will be glad to get back. I will feel more normal with my brothers and sisters in arms. I will also be glad to be among familiar surroundings with fully clothed women, and The Arab culture. I like it. I was so happy everytime i saw a Muslim over here. I really miss them too. Im gonna hate to leave Iraq. I pray for the people who live there, especially for our Catholic brothers and sisters undergoing persecution. Peace 😦
 
estesbob said:
Benedic is one who is heading out dear rock. I’m heading out also but to Yucatán Peninsula of Mexico where will it will hopefully be a little safer than that Baghdad.
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I think Im safer than you Estesbob. 😛 I love Mexican culture as well, but watch out for the fedaralies. they scare the poo out of me! 😉 Prayers for your safety.👍
 
Are things better in Iraq, Ben? I’d love to hear your perspective on it…
benidict said:
I head out tomorrow brother. I will be glad to get back. I will feel more normal with my brothers and sisters in arms. I will also be glad to be among familiar surroundings with fully clothed women, and The Arab culture. I like it. I was so happy everytime i saw a Muslim over here. I really miss them too. Im gonna hate to leave Iraq. I pray for the people who live there, especially for our Catholic brothers and sisters undergoing persecution. Peace 😦
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benidict said:
I think Im safer than you Estesbob. 😛 I love Mexican culture as well, but watch out for the fedaralies. they scare the poo out of me! 😉 Prayers for your safety.👍
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We have been spending time in Mexico every year for the last 30 years… However we have changed our habits a bit-I will no longer run a car on the mainland because you are correct that federales will pull you over and shake you down, and we no longer take off into the countryside. We also avoid the Pacific Coast because of the drug cartels rampant in that area. Thus far there has been no violence in the Yucatán Peninsula ,which is where we are going ,but we get a little more nervous every year.
 
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