2 grandsons not baptized

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i have a question that makes me worry very much ,my daughter is in the Military and is a catholic but does not practice her religion she has 2 boys who were never baptized .What will happen to our grandsons if they should die .I have tried to talked to her about it but it only turns in to her getting mad at me ,will God punish me for not insisting those boys get baptized and get a religion ? .
 
As to what will happen to the boys, as the Catechism says we can only trust them to the mercy of God:
1261 As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus’ tenderness toward children which caused him to say: “Let the children come to me, do not hinder them,”[63] allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism. All the more urgent is the Church’s call not to prevent little children coming to Christ through the gift of holy Baptism.
You have reminded your daughter of her obligation - I do not believe God asks you to do more. The sin would be hers.
 
God will not punish you.
All you can do is live a life of example for your grandsons. You have no control over how your daughter choses to raise them. If discussing it with her, agitates her, drop it and just pray, pray, pray!

Remember,
God has bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism, but he himself is not bound by his sacramentsCCC 1257
 
I would not presume that the advise given is correct. Talk to your priest and increase your prayers. I have a similar situation in my family.
 
hornpout said:
i have a question that makes me worry very much ,my daughter is in the Military and is a catholic but does not practice her religion she has 2 boys who were never baptized .What will happen to our grandsons if they should die .I have tried to talked to her about it but it only turns in to her getting mad at me ,will God punish me for not insisting those boys get baptized and get a religion ? .
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When you ask her to have her sons baptized, you are actually asking her to begin to practice her faith.

She has chosen not to practice her faith.

The parish she “might” go to in asking for baptism for her sons, would most likely expect her to begin practicing her faith before the children were baptized. She does not want to practice her Catholic faith today.

If your grandson or any child dies without baptism, there is no need for you to fear they can not go to Heaven. God can most certainly bring children into Heaven who have not been baptized.

What is the fear you have for these beautiful grandsons if they die without baptism?

Why would God punish you for not insisting that these little boys are baptized?

God gave these little boys to their parents - not to you. You can not insist their mother have them baptized. Well, actually you can insist… but insisting does nothing but annoy another person.

Maybe you should talk with your priest who can help you understand the role of grandmother in the life of her grandson. This situation is very common. Pray for your daughter.

St. Monica ~ pray for us, for hornpout, her daughter, and grandsons .
 
It seems you are asking if you can have the grandsons baptized without their mother’s permission. The answer is no. A priest who is following the rules would never do this. You should stick to praying and maybe something will change in the future. Trust God.
 
thank you so much for making me feel better about this problem you are all so kind i will put it in Gods hands .
 
We certainly cannot place limits on what God can or cannot do. His mercy, and justice, are infinite and I rather doubt He’ll punish innocent children for the errors of their parents who should know better.

I do know that around here, the “boomer” generation that has largely abandoned the faith have also abandoned the faith formation of their children. Very often it is the grandparents who take over the faith formation of their grandkids, getting them baptized, taking them to church, getting them into catechism class and taking them to catechism class every Saturday.

If you’re close enough to your grandkids to get involved by all means do so, gently.
 
Just offering something I just read. in heading it says in case of emergency.
in note it says in case of necessity.
there is no further information on what constitutes an emergency or a necessity, and I do not have Catechism to look up ( its in the mail!)

Baptizing a soul may be an emergency, certainly a necessity. I have spoken with other grandmother who said she baptised her grandchild because she considered it both
of those things…emergency and necessity.

Here is what I read and the source.

Handbook for Today’s Catholic, RE
foreward Francis Cardinal George
2004, Liguori Publications
Imprimatur

pg 81 How to Baptize in case of emergency (1240-1256, 1284)

Pour ordinary water on the forehead ( not the hair) of the person to be baptized, and say while pouring it, :I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit."

(Note: Any person can and should baptize in case of necessity; the same person must say the words while pouring the water)

Blessings~
 
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Just offering something I just read. in heading it says in case of emergency.
in note it says in case of necessity.
there is no further information on what constitutes an emergency or a necessity, and I do not have Catechism to look up ( its in the mail!)
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In case of “emergency/necessity” I have always seen and understood to mean “in danger of death”. It is generally the reason emergency baptism are performed with new born babies who might not live long enough to be baptized the usual way or the classic example of sitting next to an unbaptized person on a crashing airplane who wants to be baptized before they die.

No matter what the definition, I do not believe it is meant to cover children who are baptized against their parents wishes.
 
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