2 weeks until my divorce. How can I stop this?

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My wife and I have been seperated since August. We have had our fair share of problems and I think that she was right to ask me to leave but I never wanted to get divorced. Throughout our seperation I have told her continuosly that I want to work things out. I have asked her to go to Retrouvaille, I have asked her to go to Fireproof, I have bought Love dare and read it. All the things that have been posted elsewhere. At one point she said she was reconsidering divorce. The problem is that every time it looks like we are getting closer we get into a fight. All the progress gets erased and we go farther apart. I despartely want to work things. we have 3 children and 14 years together. If we make it to April it will be 12 years married. We were married outside the Church. Only joined the Church last year. After Easter she started pulling away. I love this woman so much that I deeply want to do whatever I can to heal our marriage. Do anybody out there have any advice on what I might be able to do? I have asked her to stay together for the children which was met with a stern NO. I think that if she would only let me show her that I have changed she would see that I have changed. She is a good woman that stills prays for me. Her prayers help me more then she will ever know. Saint Joseph, guardian of the family, pray for us.
 
Tell her that is not an option. Divorce is not an option. You two made this commitment and you two will have to find a way to work it out. If she pulls away, just pull her closer to you. If she tells you to go away - tell her no I want to be with you.

It worked for me! I stayed with my husband because he did this for me. I realized that a divorce is not an option for us. Our faith did not allow for that.

Good luck and God bless.
 
Along the way, has there been any real work done? For example, individual counseling AND couples counseling? Get some book suggestions from the counselor after he/she determines what your individual challenges may be?

Accountability for the hurts that caused her to pull away, such as the two of you meeting with a priest to confess your shortcomings and request guidance, prayers, and a schedule to check in as you progress?

Support group, if necessary, for whatever may have caused the rift?

If neither of you have done this, then remind her that you haven’t even begun to try so you will not sign divorce papers. You may need to ask a lawyer what your rights are to refuse.

Gee, I don’t know the circumstances, but all it takes is that two people are really willing to try and have hope. Nothing is impossible with God’s grace. Retroville is great, from what I hear, but it kinda sounds like something you would embark on after some counseling and healing so hearts are a bit more open (I could be wrong). I am so sorry for your pain, and I pray for a miracle! Be strong.
 
Say no. No one is going to MAKE you sign the papers, right?

Divorce is not an option in my marriage and we’ve had some horrible times … even today. It’s working for us.

Would she be willing to give it another year? Maybe just ask her for little goals. It took 12 years to get to this point, it’s not going to get better overnight …

I will say a prayer for your marriage.
 
Please know that however honorable your intentions or your resolution may be, she can, in fact, receive a divorce with or without your approval or consent. You “signing papers” is not required, only a judge’s decision. If she has filed for divorce, she is likely to get one.
 
The arguing when you get closer is indication that unresolved problems exist in each other and between each other. Obviously your wife doesn’t see them as solvable. You’re up against her free will, and her belief that the problems are too serious and her feelings that she just won’t tolerate anything more.

I’ll keep you in my prayers as it’s awfully distressing to face divorce and being a part-time Dad, and you have a lot of pain and difficulty ahead if she persists in her intention.

I hope that God will take everything into His care.
May His will be done.
 
I have already told her that I will not sign the divorce papers. In my area she doesn’t need me to sign the papers. Since she is the one filing for the divorce she will get it. I have asked her to go to the priest to talk and she has refused to do that. My options seem limited. Maybe God will swoop in at the last second. I have seen Him do it to others. Maybe I can receive the same help.
 
I have already told her that I will not sign the divorce papers. In my area she doesn’t need me to sign the papers. Since she is the one filing for the divorce she will get it. I have asked her to go to the priest to talk and she has refused to do that. My options seem limited. Maybe God will swoop in at the last second. I have seen Him do it to others. Maybe I can receive the same help.
I am so sorry, goes to show how much I really know about divorce.

You need to storm the heavens with prayers.

Post a prayer request on this forum and every forum that your frequent. Get your parish praying, call the office and have them put your name on the prayer list or whatever. Oh, go to OLAM website aka Shrine of the Most Blessed Sacrament in Hanceville AL (you know where Mother Angelica is) and post a prayer request for the Sisters to pray for you in front of the Blessed Sacrament.

Also, I suggest the 911 prayer. Nine Memorare prayers, 1 COMPLETE Rosary, yes all 20 decades and 1 complete Divine Mercy Chaplet. On your knees and with intensity. Ask the Blessed Mother to help …

I will pray for you. I will offer my rosary today for your intentions.
 
That 911 prayer sounds intense. I have the nuns at the loccal monastery praying and several friends and family memebers.
I trust the Lord will guide us both were we need to be. He will protect. Thanks for your prayers.
 
Throughout our seperation I have told her continuosly that I want to work things out… I love this woman so much that I deeply want to do whatever I can to heal our marriage.
Wow, what I wouldn’t give for this type of contrition and depth of committment from my absent husband!

However, because I do not know the depth of the hurt and resentment your spouse harbors, or the nature of how they were inflicted I cannot judge her resistance.

I DO believe all people are capable of change, all are worthy of forgiveness, and applaud heartily your fight to save your marriage.

My humble advice… Don’t hurt her again. Work on your problems separately. Go to counseling for insight. I love my absent husband but doubt I would trust his intentions unless he got counseling and developed a relationship with God - all under his own accord and without an ulterior motive.

Good luck. Maybe you will get the miracle I have long prayed for!
 
My wife and I have been seperated since August. We have had our fair share of problems and I think that she was right to ask me to leave but I never wanted to get divorced. Throughout our seperation I have told her continuosly that I want to work things out… The problem is that every time it looks like we are getting closer we get into a fight. All the progress gets erased and we go farther apart. I despartely want to work things. we have 3 children and 14 years together. … I have asked her to stay together for the children which was met with a stern NO. I think that if she would only let me show her that I have changed she would see that I have changed.
If it’s not too personal a question, why do you think your wife was right to ask you to leave? I sense that whatever her reasons were, they have not been resolved in the space provided by a separation and your wife has lost any hope that they will be resolved. You say that you want the opportunity to show her that you have changed yet when you do spend time together you fight. Why is that? While it takes two to fight, someone usually instigates it. Are the fights about the same things that caused your wife to ask you (rightly, in your opinion)to leave in the first place?
 
True repentance on both sides are a most for your marriage to work out. Yes?
 
Ok, try this…

Fights are going to happen. Disagreements, misunderstandings. Where we all get into trouble is that one or both parties is immature and does not know how to have a healthy attitude when challenges arise.

Learning new skills in communication and how to have healthy problem solving is a must for you— I will tell you what I told my husband—

“Remember that we are parents. That union CANNOT be seperated or divorced.”

If you two do not learn the communication skills and problem solving even as divorced people, you will fail as parents when parenting disagreements arise – and at the detriment of your children. Shame on the parents that do not recognize this holy duty that they have been blessed with. Shame on the parents that cannot learn to forgive, love, and honor, and try again with healthy boundaries to keep the evil out and let the good in again. For, what are you teaching your children?

My disclaimer: I don’t know both sides, so this is a response merely based on the assumption that what you are saying is mostly true.
 
What’s the rush? Does she have someone pressuring her? An attorney or someone else?

"Some Pharisees came to him, and to test him they asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any cause?” 4 He answered, "Have you not read that the one who made them at the beginning "made them male and female,’ 5 and said, “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.” 7 They said to him, “Why then did Moses command us to give a certificate of dismissal and to divorce her?” 8 He said to them, “It was because you were so hard-hearted that Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. 9 And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for unchastity, and marries another commits adultery.” Mt 19:3:10

You are in my prayers!

Even if she gets a piece of paper with the word divorce on it, you are not divorced in the eyes of God, and that is all that matters.

Never give up and pray always!

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!

Mark
 
I agree. The paper means little to nothing to me. She is my wife and I took the vow to love her through better or worse.

She was right to ask me to leave because she feared me. I did a very poor job of making her feel safe with me. No excuses. I failed her as a husband and can’t do anything to change the past.

The only time we spend together is when we swap kids. We talk on the phone occasionaly and it seems that the only time I can get her to open up and talk is after the discussion gets heated and the info that she finally shares is worthless in helping us draw closer together.

From what I can gather communication is the main problem. She says what she says and I hear what I think she is saying. I say what I say and she hears what she thinks I am saying. The problem is that whatever each of us was trying to say isn’t what each heard. That is why I wanted to go to Retro. From what I can gather that is precisely what they help with.

I guess it all comes down to trust. She doesn’t trust me and won’t allow herself to get hurt again. 2 weeks isn’t enough time to rebuild that trust. I don’t know what could be done to rebuild that trust. She doesn’t want to go to church with me or anything else that would allow us to be together close enough for her to feel comfortable with me.

Men, don’t take your wives for granted. Cherish them. You don’t know how good you have it until you don’t anymore. I lost my best friend. I lost the woman that I love. I lost the mother of my children. Don’t make the same mistakes that I did. Men love your wifes like Christ loves His Church. Once they are gone it is VERY unlikely you will get them back.
 
Today’s reading is very profound. Please do not let your wife’s sin of unforgiving cause you to abandon her. Just keep praying and constantly working towards healing your sins. I hope she is still going to mass. Please call your priest to ask his help. He may be able to ask a meeting with her alone.

Isaiah 43:18-25
18 "Forget the former things;
do not dwell on the past.

19 See, I am doing a new thing!
Now it springs up; do you not perceive it?
I am making a way in the desert
and streams in the wasteland.
 
Today’s reading is very profound. Please do not let your wife’s sin of unforgiving cause you to abandon her. Just keep praying and constantly working towards healing your sins. I hope she is still going to mass. Please call your priest to ask his help. He may be able to ask a meeting with her alone.

Isaiah 43:18-25
18 "Forget the former things;
do not dwell on the past.

19 See, I am doing a new thing!
Now it springs up; do you not perceive it?
I am making a way in the desert
and streams in the wasteland.
Amen! Amen!
 
I agree. The paper means little to nothing to me. She is my wife and I took the vow to love her through better or worse.

She was right to ask me to leave because she feared me. I did a very poor job of making her feel safe with me. No excuses. I failed her as a husband and can’t do anything to change the past.

The only time we spend together is when we swap kids. We talk on the phone occasionaly and it seems that the only time I can get her to open up and talk is after the discussion gets heated and the info that she finally shares is worthless in helping us draw closer together.

From what I can gather communication is the main problem. She says what she says and I hear what I think she is saying. I say what I say and she hears what she thinks I am saying. The problem is that whatever each of us was trying to say isn’t what each heard. That is why I wanted to go to Retro. From what I can gather that is precisely what they help with.

I guess it all comes down to trust. She doesn’t trust me and won’t allow herself to get hurt again. 2 weeks isn’t enough time to rebuild that trust. I don’t know what could be done to rebuild that trust. She doesn’t want to go to church with me or anything else that would allow us to be together close enough for her to feel comfortable with me.

Men, don’t take your wives for granted. Cherish them. You don’t know how good you have it until you don’t anymore. I lost my best friend. I lost the woman that I love. I lost the mother of my children. Don’t make the same mistakes that I did. Men love your wifes like Christ loves His Church. Once they are gone it is VERY unlikely you will get them back.
David, I don’t know if it will be to late, but I will mention it anyway. I learned of it here when I wrote of my marriage. Have you heard of Dr. Emerson’s Crazy Cycle. Imagine a circle that moves in one direction to the right with these words around it: She Reacts Without Respect He Reacts Without Love and it goes on as He Reacts Without Love She Reacts Without Respects. Check it out at www.loveandrespect.com for the model of it if you don’t under me. They have some video clips to watch for men and some for women and some for the married couple. My dh and I received the audiobook CD of his book *Love and Respect *and are learning so much from it. (You can buy it from this website just click on the “estore.”) We don’t have the time to read much, so we listen to the CD as we drive in the car. Dr. Emerson even has a section when he talks to the men alone and to the women alone, but the other sex is welcome to listen. He is very wise in what he has to say. It has helped us so much and has helped us to learn when we are in this Crazy Cycle in our marriage and how to get off of it before we keep arguing. He teaches you how to do that and to get on a healther cycle that I think he called the reguvinating cycle. Basically, it comes down to a basic concept that women are made by God to be loved and crave that love from their husband and we don’t need to be taught to do this to our husband for we are made to do this, but we do need help in learning to respect our husband which is what men crave according to Dr. Emerson and what he found in the Bible. For example, he gave an example of a man losing a job as a major deal and stressor for a man so much so that it was equivalent to what a woman feels in a miscarriage. He was not saying that a job was as important as a loss of a baby, but was saying that the man’s feelings of a loss of a job was so important to who he is as a person that it was like losing a baby in a woman. I can’t explain as well as he can. You have to read his book or listen to his audiobook. Please, don’t get angry at me and say that the life of a baby is more important for I know that and he knows that, he was talking about the way a man feels after he loses a job and the importance of it to his character as a man. It was quite interesting.

Please, this could really help your marriage. If your wife would be willing to listen to it or read the book, it could help your marriage. Who knows how long you have been in the crazy cycle. You were probably neglecting her and she felt unloved and you probably felt that she did not respect you. I don’t know, but if that is how you felt, then you two were in the crazy cycle and you have hope, but it all depends if she wants to hold off on the divorce.

As Mark mentioned. What is the hurry for it? But as BMB said too, we don’t know either what you have done to hurt your wife so badly. If she can forgive you then this book can help you recover. It is not Catholic, but it is Christian based and uses the Bible. I have not found anything in it anti-Catholic so far. I am on disc 4 now which is for women now. I am learning so much about men that I did not know. I am learning news ways to treat my husband. All this time, I though he is the that needs to change, but I too need to change. Dr. Emerson says the power to improve marriages lies more in the wife’s power than they think.

Check it out. I will pray for your marriage. Miracles still happens!!👍
 
David, you mentioned one of your issues was that your wife didn’t feel safe with you.

Have you been to any anger management courses? Are you struggling with mental illness (e.g., bipolar disorder)? It may be your wife is still pulling away because she is still feeling unsafe in the marriage.

Prayers for you and your wife.
 
Please know that however honorable your intentions or your resolution may be, she can, in fact, receive a divorce with or without your approval or consent. You “signing papers” is not required, only a judge’s decision. If she has filed for divorce, she is likely to get one.
I am afraid that IrishAm is correct; at least in CA. After 37 years of marriage my husband demanded a divorce. We had gone through counseling at my insistance, but he wouldn’t try anything the counselor suggested. I didn’t know that he had affairs during our marriage. His latest mistress demanded he get a divorce so they could be public with their relationship. He filed for divorce and I said no. I did hire an attorney to protect my rights. I found out that he could be granted a divorce without my agreeing. Sometimes there is no solution.
 
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