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I am accusing nobody except those few antimormon, former mormon, catholics who seem to have forgotten just what it means to be a christian.

However, Jerusha, you are okay in my book. 👍
So you are my judge now? I think not.
 
Of course, what is amazing is that if I ask my catholic relatives just what the catholic church believes, I don’t think that I would get much of an answer. And this would go for catholics in general. In reality, how much does anyone know about the faith in which they believe? Not much.
Well, whyme, this is NOT surprising considering how you do NOT address direct questions about mormonism and its origins.

You constantly revert to the subjective: the ‘burning in the bosom’ line that proves nothing. So don’t be surprised about your “catholic” relatives’ responses.

Robert
 
I don’t think that you understand me. I am not here to preach mormonism. But I do try to balance the negative picture that many catholics have of mormonism. That’s all. I have been truthful. I cannot deny the book of mormon because of what I experienced when I prayed about it many years ago.

But that doesn’t mean much. I am much more involved in the catholic faith. But yes, I do have ties to mormonism too. I am a much better person now that I have been in the catholic church again. But that doesn’t mean that I am going to trash mormonism. I have no reason to do so. I may have my difficulties practicing the mormon faith but I would still defend it.

My only goal at this moment is to feel god again and the priests and nuns are being a great help in this. And that is not such a bad thing either.
Do you or do you not believe the BoM is truly the word of God? If you believe the BoM is true scripture, then you should be an active Mormon. If you do not, then you should be something else. But one cannot be both Mormon and Catholic at the same time. They are utterly mutually exclusive. The Mormon church accuses the Catholic Church of being an apostate organization. The Mormon Church considers those Catholic priests you’ve been spending time with to be false priests. You can’t live in both worlds. Which is it?
 
Why Me, perhaps this might help.

Check out:

Helamon 16:20-22
1 Nephi 14-34
Words of Mormon 1:16
Mosiah 1:13
Moroni 9:18-20
Helamon 15: 12-17
Moroni 9:9-14
Moroni 8:25-30
Moroni 7:3-19 (compare to JS and BY)
2 Nephi 28:8-16

There are more. If you can curl your mind around the concept, it appears that Sidney Rigdon pulled a sneaky, his own testimony of the BOM. He had to have been a very unhappy man.
 
Do you or do you not believe the BoM is truly the word of God? If you believe the BoM is true scripture, then you should be an active Mormon. If you do not, then you should be something else. But one cannot be both Mormon and Catholic at the same time. They are utterly mutually exclusive. The Mormon church accuses the Catholic Church of being an apostate organization. The Mormon Church considers those Catholic priests you’ve been spending time with to be false priests. You can’t live in both worlds. Which is it?
I do fine in both worlds. First, let me state that I have more contact with catholics than I do with mormons. And these cathlolics are super catholics. I attend Mass several times a week (depending on where I am) and have a great relationship with Nuns and priests. And the catholic church has brought me closer to god. But I also have mormonism in my life and I am not sorry that it is there. I have learned much about the catholic faith more than I did before I met the mormons at 18. And since I have a catholic culture background, I find that I blend in quite well.

However, I can not accept the harsh words directed at the lds church by some posters without a ‘fight’. I tend to be an agnostic when it comes to the book of mormon. I don’t disbelieve it for the simple reason that it hasn’t been proven false. So I leave it all open. Perhaps I will find out upon death which will hopefully be in a few decades.

I think that one can be both. One can be a catholic and a cultural mormon as one can be a mormon and a cultural catholic. I see no problem with this.
 
People who join cults, Jonestown, Heavens Gate, Branch Davidian…these people were tied tightly to these cults. Emotionally you can be certain they believed in them. So what keeps most people from joining up with groups like this? REASON.
If one looks at the beginnings of christianity, we see people understanding them to be odd people. Perhaps the word cult was batted around. And then we have Nero, no fan of the christian sect. What to do with perceptions? I would not compare the lds church with the cults you mentioned. There is quite a difference.

I can understand where you are coming from Rebecca. I am sure that if you and I met at Mass, we would hit it off well. You have one take on the mormon church and I have another. I have no reason to take your position. Perhaps my history is different from yours in the lds church. I was not an active member and so, I attended for social reasons. I think that you were very active in the mormon faith. And this is a big difference for us.
 
Perhaps my history is different from yours in the lds church. I was not an active member and so, I attended for social reasons. I think that you were very active in the mormon faith. And this is a big difference for us.
That, in a nutshell, whyme, is what is wrong with your viewpoint.

You think mormonism is no different than Catholicism.

It is (excuse the mormon pun) “worlds apart.”

Mormon beliefs are NOT Christian beliefs.

You have your own ‘religion.’ You are not part of any mainstream tradition.

Robert
 
I think that one can be both. One can be a catholic and a cultural mormon as one can be a mormon and a cultural catholic. I see no problem with this.
Ah, the mormon feint.

Bring them in anyway you can, lie to them, tell them that you go to Mass, “know many Nuns and priests,” say anything to get their guard down. Ol’ ‘milk before meat.’

What a joke!

Robert
 
I think that one can be both. One can be a catholic and a cultural mormon as one can be a mormon and a cultural catholic. I see no problem with this.
I’m not sure how anyone could really make a case for this. In order for this to work you would have to sit on the fence between the two religions and not fully participate in either. I don’t know if you partake of the Catholic sacraments, but it’s important that you know that each time you partake of the Eucharist, you are taking an oath before almighty God that you accept all the Church has to teach, which includes the teaching that the Church has maintained its authority since the time of Christ through the Apostolic succession of the bishops. Taking the Eucharist is also an affirmation that one believes that Christ’s body, blood, soul, and divinity is truly present in the bread and wine. To partake of the Eucharist and deny the authority of the Church or deny the real presence is a grave matter with potentially serious spirtual consequences. To entertain the idea that the BoM could be true is a rejection of the authority of the Church and the real presence of Jesus in the Eucharist. That is one big reason why you cannot have one foot in both worlds in the manner you have described.
 
I’m not sure how anyone could really make a case for this. In order for this to work you would have to sit on the fence between the two religions and not fully participate in either. I don’t know if you partake of the Catholic sacraments, but it’s important that you know that each time you partake of the Eucharist, you are taking an oath before almighty God that you accept all

the Church has to teach, which includes the teaching that the Church has maintained its authority since the time of Christ through the Apostolic succession of the bishops. Taking the Eucharist is also an affirmation that one believes that Christ’s body, blood, soul, and divinity is truly present in the bread and wine. **To partake of the Eucharist and deny the authority of the Church or deny the real presence is a grave matter with potentially serious spirtual consequences. ** To entertain the idea that the BoM could be true is a rejection of the authority of the Church and the real presence of Jesus in the Eucharist. That is one big reason why you cannot have one foot in both worlds in the manner you have described.
Amen, Chris: excellent points.

Robert
 
Hi everyone, I saw this forum and wanted to post an article we sent out to several newspapers. Hope this is of some value to those seeking the truth…

The fruits of polygamy can best be measured by polygamy’s effect on the first Mormon family who practiced it, Joseph and Emma Smith. Plural marriage (as Joseph called it) was devastating to his first wife Emma. Though Joseph in speeches and church publications continually denied the doctrine and practice of plural marriage, Emma strongly suspected her husband of practicing it and she enlisted support from other anti-polygamy women to spy on him.
In February of 1843 Emma became aware that Joseph had taken her best friend, Eliza R. Snow, as a plural wife. Emma became so enraged that she pushed Eliza down the stairs at their home with a broomstick causing Eliza to have a miscarriage. Now the cat was out of the bag and it became Joseph’s top priority to convince Emma she should accept polygamy.
In official LDS history, on the morning of July 12, 1843 Hyrum (Joseph’s brother) said to Joseph, “If you will write the revelation on celestial marriage, I will take it and read it to Emma, and I believe I can convince her of its truth, and you will hereafter have peace.” Joseph smiled and remarked, “You do not know Emma as well as I do.”… Hyrum then took the revelation to read to Emma.
When he came back, Joseph asked how he had succeeded. Hyrum replied that he had never received a more severe talking to in his life. After the revelation was written Emma teased, and urgently entreated Joseph for the privilege of destroying the revelation. Joseph became so weary of her teasing and to get rid of her annoyance, he told her she might destroy it and she did so. Of course Joseph knew he could re-write it at any time." (History of the Church, introduction to vol. 5).
Later after Joseph promised Emma she would be a queen and a priestess if she accepted plural marriage Emma briefly accepted plural marriage. temple records, church history and the personal journals of the women involved show that nine of Joseph’s first 12 wives were women then currently married to other men and reassigned to Joseph. Emma battled her feelings that plural marriage was an evil practice and even though she consented to Joseph’s marriages Emily Partridge (one of Joseph’s wives) wrote in her Journal: "from the very hour we were married to Joseph, Emma became our bitter enemy.
Official LDS history shows that Joseph Smith, as mayor of Nauvoo, ordered the destruction of the Nauvoo Expositor (a newspaper that was making public, the secret-sacred plural marriage life of Joseph Smith). Joseph and his brother Hyrum were arrested on charge of treason (of course freedom of the press was and is a constitutionally protected right) and taken to Carthage jail (History of the Church, vol. 6, p.38).
Joseph’s plural marriages and what many considered treasonous act of destroying a free press had so angered the people that a mob formed at the jail and Joseph and Hyrum were killed in what can best be described as a gun fight in which Joseph Smith killed two men. Official LDS history records that when the mob approached the door to the room where Joseph and Hyrum were being held, Joseph; “approached the door, and pulling the six-shooter left by Brother Whellock from his pocket, opened the door slightly, and snapped the pistol six successive times, only three of the barrels, however, were discharged. Two or three (mobsters) were wounded by these discharges, two of whom died.” (History of the Church, vol. 7, pp. 102-3).
Emma later wrote, “it was the secret doctrines that got Joseph and Hyrum killed”. Emma left the church after Joseph’s death and claimed the authority of the church rested in her son, whom she used to start a new church called; "The Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Obviously this church left out the practice of plural marriage and most of the other secret-sacred doctrines of Mormonism.
Because Emma’s church became a competition to the polygamous church led by Brigham Young, Brigham in an 1866 conference address said: “Joseph called his wife Emma into a secret council, and there he told her of the time she undertook to poison him, and he told her that she was a child of hell, and literally the most wicked woman on this earth, that there was not one more wicked than she.”
I know this doesn’t sound much like the romance fiction novels-movies now being published about the Joseph Smith era. But it’s time for someone to throw some light on the true origins and nature of polygamy and its disastrous consequences.
 
How many Mormon threads do we need folks?
Maybe just one at the end that explains some hard line truths about Mormons.

The fruits of polygamy can best be measured by polygamy’s effect on the first Mormon family who practiced it, Joseph and Emma Smith. Plural marriage (as Joseph called it) was devastating to his first wife Emma. Though Joseph in speeches and church publications continually denied the doctrine and practice of plural marriage, Emma strongly suspected her husband of practicing it and she enlisted support from other anti-polygamy women to spy on him.
In February of 1843 Emma became aware that Joseph had taken her best friend, Eliza R. Snow, as a plural wife. Emma became so enraged that she pushed Eliza down the stairs at their home with a broomstick causing Eliza to have a miscarriage. Now the cat was out of the bag and it became Joseph’s top priority to convince Emma she should accept polygamy.
In official LDS history, on the morning of July 12, 1843 Hyrum (Joseph’s brother) said to Joseph, “If you will write the revelation on celestial marriage, I will take it and read it to Emma, and I believe I can convince her of its truth, and you will hereafter have peace.” Joseph smiled and remarked, “You do not know Emma as well as I do.”… Hyrum then took the revelation to read to Emma.
When he came back, Joseph asked how he had succeeded. Hyrum replied that he had never received a more severe talking to in his life. After the revelation was written Emma teased, and urgently entreated Joseph for the privilege of destroying the revelation. Joseph became so weary of her teasing and to get rid of her annoyance, he told her she might destroy it and she did so. Of course Joseph knew he could re-write it at any time." (History of the Church, introduction to vol. 5).
Later after Joseph promised Emma she would be a queen and a priestess if she accepted plural marriage Emma briefly accepted plural marriage. temple records, church history and the personal journals of the women involved show that nine of Joseph’s first 12 wives were women then currently married to other men and reassigned to Joseph. Emma battled her feelings that plural marriage was an evil practice and even though she consented to Joseph’s marriages Emily Partridge (one of Joseph’s wives) wrote in her Journal: "from the very hour we were married to Joseph, Emma became our bitter enemy.
Official LDS history shows that Joseph Smith, as mayor of Nauvoo, ordered the destruction of the Nauvoo Expositor (a newspaper that was making public, the secret-sacred plural marriage life of Joseph Smith). Joseph and his brother Hyrum were arrested on charge of treason (of course freedom of the press was and is a constitutionally protected right) and taken to Carthage jail (History of the Church, vol. 6, p.38).
Joseph’s plural marriages and what many considered treasonous act of destroying a free press had so angered the people that a mob formed at the jail and Joseph and Hyrum were killed in what can best be described as a gun fight in which Joseph Smith killed two men. Official LDS history records that when the mob approached the door to the room where Joseph and Hyrum were being held, Joseph; “approached the door, and pulling the six-shooter left by Brother Whellock from his pocket, opened the door slightly, and snapped the pistol six successive times, only three of the barrels, however, were discharged. Two or three (mobsters) were wounded by these discharges, two of whom died.” (History of the Church, vol. 7, pp. 102-3).
Emma later wrote, “it was the secret doctrines that got Joseph and Hyrum killed”. Emma left the church after Joseph’s death and claimed the authority of the church rested in her son, whom she used to start a new church called; "The Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Obviously this church left out the practice of plural marriage and most of the other secret-sacred doctrines of Mormonism.
Because Emma’s church became a competition to the polygamous church led by Brigham Young, Brigham in an 1866 conference address said: “Joseph called his wife Emma into a secret council, and there he told her of the time she undertook to poison him, and he told her that she was a child of hell, and literally the most wicked woman on this earth, that there was not one more wicked than she.”
I know this doesn’t sound much like the romance fiction novels-movies now being published about the Joseph Smith era. But it’s time for someone to throw some light on the true origins and nature of polygamy and its disastrous consequences.
 
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