2008 Religious Ed Congress

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The 2008 Religious Ed Congress in well under way this weekend in Anaheim, CA. The teachers at my childrens’ school are required to go. Let’s all keep them in our hearts and mind that they will be able to discern the many heresies that are there.

Please pray that this will soon pass!!! It has been way to long. :gopray2:
 
Heresies? 😦 Where did you learn about this? Can you explain what they are? I haven’t heard this before. Please don’t misunderstand me, I am not disagreeing with you. This is just the first I’ve heard about it. And if it is true I think more people need to know. :confused:
 
Heresies? 😦 Where did you learn about this? Can you explain what they are? I haven’t heard this before. Please don’t misunderstand me, I am not disagreeing with you. This is just the first I’ve heard about it. And if it is true I think more people need to know. :confused:
I am not good about posting links how they like us to on this website, so I will give you the how too.

First click on the seach of the postings on this webite. Last year people called it Mass, Mahoney Style.

I read about what was coming up this year on www.calcatholic.com Look at Feb. 7 I think the title was. “Mostly the same old line up.” I have family an friends that have been to this and will never go back. They have said that they are too Orthodox for this.
 
So much for mgrfin’s idea of just skipping the dissenters. 🤷 I can’t believe they make the school kids go. Mine would definitely have the flu that weekend. California Catholic did a good job outlining some of the dissenting speakers. Too bad there’s so many more to give bios on. :mad: Not only are the speakers bad but then we have the Mass where it appears the goal is to break as many of the rules in Redemptionis Sacramentum as possible.😦
 
So much for mgrfin’s idea of just skipping the dissenters. 🤷 I can’t believe they make the school kids go. Mine would definitely have the flu that weekend. California Catholic did a good job outlining some of the dissenting speakers. Too bad there’s so many more to give bios on. :mad: Not only are the speakers bad but then we have the Mass where it appears the goal is to break as many of the rules in Redemptionis Sacramentum as possible.😦
The children are not required to go, as far as my school is concerned, it is the teacher’s who are. I worry most about the young, impressionable and weak in their faith ones. They are the ones who will believe the heresies and then pass it on to our children who are like sponges.
 
The children are not required to go, as far as my school is concerned, it is the teacher’s who are. I worry most about the young, impressionable and weak in their faith ones. They are the ones who will believe the heresies and then pass it on to our children who are like sponges.
Don’t know how I misread that one! Thought it sounded a little weird. Yes, it is quite sad to see some sucked in by things that are presented as Catholic which aren’t.
 
Don’t know how I misread that one! Thought it sounded a little weird. Yes, it is quite sad to see some sucked in by things that are presented as Catholic which aren’t.
I completely agree.

I came across the following link yesterday, unfortunately a little to late, I wish I saw this before the weekend. I am sure the Principal of my school would have loved to see me picket!!!

christiannewswire.com/news/286815850.html
 
I came across the following link yesterday, unfortunately a little to late, I wish I saw this before the weekend. I am sure the Principal of my school would have loved to see me picket!!!
Usually we just get picketed by Catholics who think we’re all heretics. This time around I didn’t see any Catholic picketers, just fundamentalists who thought all Catholics were going to hell. I would have loved to see the two groups go at it.

ALL CATHOLICS ARE GOING TO HELL!

No…just THOSE guys…the rest of us are TRUE Catholics.

WE CAN’T TELL THE DIFFERENCE. YOU’RE ALL CATHOLIC TO US.

Actually, there are speakers from varying points of view. I went to some excellent sessions. My favorite was about canonical and non-canonical writings that explained why certain books made it in while others didn’t. Definitely relevant when there are people claiming that it’s all a big conspiracy, etc.

And say what you will, being at an event with 40,000 fired-up Catholics is an amazing experience.
 
I went too, and it was good to see so many Catholics in one spot. Now if only the teaching was faithful it would not have been so sad.
The good thing was there were a lot of Catholics fired up about the faith. The horrible thing was the incredible amount of errors that was being taught which unfortunately was billed as Catholic. I went to one workshop where the lady denied the incarnation, said that Jesus sinned, implied that Mary did also, and promoted feminist theology. It was disgusting to hear this at a so called Catholic environment.

When you go to a Catholic event, God should be respected and the Church’s teachings should be respected.

I read the protestors paper, it was very accurate and actually underestimated the amount of error presented in the workshop. They were very nice and did not seem to be fundamentalist at all, I believe Karl Keating even made an article that said there is no such thing as Catholic fundamentalists. I only talked to one and he didn’t act like a sedevacantist, just a concered Catholic who cared about the faith.

Those who promote error saying it is the faith care more about their opinion than presenting the faith. They might love people but their love of self really underscores their presentation of the faith. If you would like an example I am cleaning up the audio on one presentation, which really shows how anti-God some of the presenters are.

God Bless
Scylla
 
I went too, and it was good to see so many Catholics in one spot. Now if only the teaching was faithful it would not have been so sad.
I guess it was a question of which workshops you went to. I guess you can’t be too heretical when you’re talking about how to be reach and motivate adults so they’ll be more engaged in their faith.
They were very nice and did not seem to be fundamentalist at all, I believe Karl Keating even made an article that said there is no such thing as Catholic fundamentalists. I only talked to one and he didn’t act like a sedevacantist, just a concered Catholic who cared about the faith.
Different protester. There were also Protestant fundamentalists saying how everyone was going to hell. At one point I was walking with a friend wearing his Roman collar and that definitely got their attention. The guy started out by saying that “you need to be saved from priests who lie to you.” Then he noticed the collar and changed it to “you need to be saved from idiot priests like HIM.”

As far as the workshop you attended, I didn’t attend it but I did hear about it from someone else. She’s a pretty liberal Catholic but said she walked out. Still, there were hundreds of other workshops.
 
Yes, that workshop was pretty bad, and this is not the first time that this lady was invited to congress.
Last year I heard some pretty bad things in a workshop, yet nothing like this year.

I agree that there are some good workshops, I went to one on hispanic ministry that was faithful to the Church and was useful.
I am sure there were some other workshops that were faithful also. Unfortunately when you mix error with truth you end up with people thinking the congress is done well when many are being misled.

I saw the fundamentalists too, and I talked to them for a bit, until my wife pulled me away. I wish she didn’t because all I ended up doing was ending up at that lousy workshop, just as I was about to back them in a corner and get them to go nuts. Sometimes those guys are quite entertaining and if you can reveal how crazy they sound, then maybe you can touch their heart.

The highlight for me was leaving early Sunday and going to Mass back at my parish, without all the liturgical madness at congress Mass was quite beautiful.

God Bless
Scylla
 
I attended the 2008 Rel Ed Congress.
At the Congress they provide recordings of the speakers. Some speakers are not recorded. I believe that is for two possible reasons: 1. what they say will not be orthodox and the rest of us only have notes which may be incorrect and 2. there may be monetary issues (the speaker makes their living from speaking engagements and they don’t want to “give away” their talk. Perhaps they sell tapes.)
Look at the sessions that are not being recorded and avoid them unless you are pretty sure it is for monetary reasons.
There are many orthodox speakers - in the spirit of Vatican II.

As for Congress liturgies - My first experiences were a turn-off because I thought they were like performances. But in charity I came to realize that we all have talents to share. I am reminded of the monk who was discovered juggling before a statue of Mary. Would they allow him to juggle during Mass - offering his talent to the Lord? Why not? Also, there are many ethnic liturgies with traditions that are foreign to us. This year I went to the “General” style Masses in the evening. Last year I went to Vespers, which I found very spiritual - quiet and peaceful.

Barbara
 
My question is, should we really be giving money to the Los Angeles Archdiocese for an event that hosts dissent and heresy? This is not some secular organization like, say Disney. This is an organization that says it’s Catholic and yet allows heretical and dissident speakers to poison the water.😦
 
What dissent and heresy? I have heard criticism of various aspects of the church. But don’t we all do that?

My interests are Scripture and Liturgy. I can’t say that I have heard anything there that was heresy or dissent. I hear a difference of background and difference for hopes for the future.

I like hearing new and different and challenging ideas. It sends me searching the Catholic Encyclopedia and Encyclicals and Catholic web sites- the Vatican and EWTN.

I am willing to pay the Archdiocese so that I can hear a priest who sits on the board that is translating the Sacramentary to understand what is coming. I like having internationally known Scripture scholars speak to what is between the lines that I was never aware of before. I feel that I learn and grow from every Congress.

I found this site because I was looking for information about the Tridentine Rite.

By the way, I was born in 1932. I have been interested in Scripture since the 1960’s and involved in liturgy since 1990. And I definitely do not want to go back.

Barbara
 
Let’s look at the past speakers. Please note that many of these entries have quotes from the REC. Also, I’d start googling this years speakers. Many of them are found below. Why is it that Cardinal Mahoney invites these types who more often than not spew their usual crud right at his “congress”. I’m not seeing people like Bishop Bruskewitz, Fr. Groeschel, Fr. Fessio and a plethera of other faithful priests invited.

Fr. Timothy Radcliffe In Cdl. Mahony’s presence, the 2006 keynoter, a former Master General of the Dominicans, urged thousands of listeners to see" Brokeback Mountain,"
In 2005 he rapped the Vatican’s then-pending document discouraging the admission and ordination of homosexual seminarians.
• Gwynne Guibord This “partnered” lesbian Episcopal priestess, once an official of the “gay” Metropolitan Community Church, is credited with persuading the National Council of Churches to scrap an endorsement of traditional marriage in 2000. Also, she
endorsed the Sex Information and Education Council’s (SIECUS’s) manifesto that calls for “sexual and reproductive rights,” i.e., killing preborn babies. On March 4, 2005,
Cdl. Mahony’s newspaper, The Tidings, ran a photo of her wearing a black shirt and Roman collar.
• Abp. Rembert Weakland The former Milwaukee prelate gave the keynote address at the 2001 REC. Abp. Weakland resigned in 2002 after admitting he’d paid $450,000 to a man who’d accused him of trying to rape him. For years, Abp. Weakland
made his seminarians go through “Sexual Attitude Restructuring” (SAR), a dayslong program designed to destroy their Catholic morals and brainwash them into approving or practicing sinful and even lethal acts. SAR immerses participants in films of men, women, children and animals committing depraved acts. It an orgy of XXX-rated pornography on multiple
screens.
• Bp. Kenneth Untener The late Bishop of Saginaw, Michigan, ran a sex-training program for his seminarians that made them watch pornographic movies. In one film, several men committed lewd acts while discussing “the salvific mission of Christ.”
The Vatican later shut down this seminary, reputedly a homosexual hotbed. Plus, Bp. Untener once stated, “The Church is seriously mistaken in its prohibition against women
priests.”
• Fr. Gerald Coleman This former rector of St. Patrick’s Seminary in Menlo Park, California, backs pro-“gay” “domestic partner” laws, even though the Holy See has warned the U.S. bishops against those who seek to “manipulate the Church by gaining
the often well-intentioned support of her pastors with a view to changing civil statutes and laws.”
• Rev. Richard Sparks At the 2001 REC, the Berkeley Paulist spewed vile speculations about the Holy Family and even discussed his privates. (In 2006 he admitted he’d gone
too far.) He was on the committee that set up sex ed guidelines to be imposed on Catholic schools. He has said, “I am not anti-choice” and has slammed the idea that truth is superior to dissent. At the 2001 L.A. Religious Education Congress, Fr. Sparks, while acknowledging Church teaching on the perpetual virginity of the Mother of God, said of her relationship with Joseph, “But if somebody says, ‘Do you think Joseph ever wanted to jump her bones?’ Do you think Joseph ever thought, ‘God, why can’t we consummate this thing?’… Now all I’m saying is – even if they didn’t have sex, did they ever neck? Or did they maybe cuddle and snuggle? Did he ever sort of fondle his wife? Did she ever kind of fondle him?”
• Bp. Donald Trautman At the 2006 REC, the Bishop of Erie, Pennsylvania, criticized and poked fun at the proposed new Mass translations, e.g., the words “consubstantial,” “Incarnate” and “His holy and venerable hands.” He opposes “a return to
devotionalism,” “rigidity in rubrics” and “the liturgical mentality prior to Vatican II.”
• R. Scott Appleby This Notre Dame academic co-edited a book that belittled “fundamentalist” Catholics who hold “a belief in God and in absolute truth…and a desireto be faithful to God by following church teaching.” They’re “pathetically ineffective,” he said, because they prepare people “for a world that no longer exists.” He included pro-lifers, homeschoolers and Pope John Paul II!
• Dr. Diana Hayes In her keynote address to the Women’s Ordination Committee in November, 1995, she declared, “The Master’s tools will never dismantle the Master’s house; dismantling of the entire house is needed, from within and
without, using tools of our own creation.”
• Rev. Bryan Massingale The Cardinal’s pick for Saturday keynote speaker, this Liberation Theologian from Marquette University publicly opposed Wisconsin’s 2006 Marriage Protection Amendment, which that state’s bishops backed, to ban “gay
marriage” and “gay civil unions.” In 2004 he told fellow priests the “new Church” will be “more sensuous and feminine.” Also, he quoted Richard Schoenherr, who discerns a “decline in sacramentalism and rise in Bible-based worship” and a
“change from a transcendentalist to a personalist construction of…sexuality.”
• Edwina Gateley At the 1993 conference of CTA (at which she often speaks), this radical feminist, New Ager and priestess advocate donned vestments and “celebrated” a " Mass." She gave the keynote talk at Dignity USA’s May, 2002,
“gay” Catholic convention. Several bishops have barred her from speaking in their dioceses.
• Fr. James Martin, SJ He told the 2005 REC we need “public models” of “healthy gay priests for Catholics to reflect on,” to counter “the stereotype of the gay priest as child abuser.” At the 2006 REC, he mocked and disputed the new Vatican document
nixing ordination of homosexuals, saying it implied that they “are not fully human” and that “gay priests are responsible for the sexual abuse crisis.” “[Gay] seminarians and gay priests are the Church’s new lepers,” he whined, casting them as the victims.
• Fr. Richard Rohr At the March, 1997, pro-“gay” New Ways Ministry Symposium, he described his all-male retreats, in which men remove clothing and touch each other in “wounded areas,” as he calls them. Abp. Michael Sheehan of Santa Fe once
reprimanded Fr. Rohr for presiding at a lesbian “wedding.” Also, Fr. Rohr advises Catholics to use the New Age/occult Enneagram.
• Sr. Fran Ferder She rejects the Church’s teaching against non-marital sex as a sign of Vatican fixation at an adolescent psychological level. In the Dec., 1995-Jan., 1996 Call to Action News, she said, “The whole Church must hear what homosexuals]
are really saying, especially those gays and lesbians who do not experience their sexuality as a lifelong commitment to celibacy.”
• Fr. Michael Crosby At the 2006 REC, this prominent Church-basher rapped “clericalism, sexism [sic] and heterosexism [sic]” and “unequal power…between homosexual and heterosexual people.” At a 1999 CTA conference, he knocked the Vatican for “dictating” to the local bishops.
• Jim Wallis Cdl. Mahony’s choice for Sunday keynoter is this non-Catholic, far-left activist, who backed the Communists in Vietnam and founded the Post-American magazine (now Sojourners). In 2006 he advised U.S. senators and representatives on ways to get believers to vote Democrat, even though that party is pro-“gay” and proabortion.
• Thomas Groome This laicized priest from Boston College wants not only women priests but also women bishops. He mocked Pope John Paul II’s Ad Tuendam Fidem as “a pretentious attempt…to stifle conversation and dialogue” among theologians.
CatholicCulture.org says he dissents from “a wide range of Church teachings” and shows “an anti-Roman attitude” and “a deeply embedded skepticism in regard to the doctrinal content of Catholicism.”
• Dr. Greer Gordon At the 2006 REC, she rapped the Vatican’s “assumption” that we must “curb the sexual urges or desires of our homosexual presbyters,” but not of our heterosexual priests. The new document against “gay” ordinations is good in parts, she said, but could “force us into repressing people about their sexuality.”
 
My question is, should we really be giving money to the Los Angeles Archdiocese for an event that hosts dissent and heresy? This is not some secular organization like, say Disney. This is an organization that says it’s Catholic and yet allows heretical and dissident speakers to poison the water.😦

I’ve wondered the same thing. But unfortunately --as long as people keep showing up – seems like it will continue.
 
The largest Archdiocese in the U.S. and Rome is still silent…

james
 
Well, bear06, you have educated me. I have heard some of those speakers and never picked up on what you cited.

I now opt out of this thread.

Barbara
 
The largest Archdiocese in the U.S. and Rome is still silent…

james
My thoughts on this is that Rome is just trying to wait him out. I think he was sneaky for so many years and developed quite a following. I think by the time the internet hit to shed a lot of light on what was going on, it was too late. At this point I think they’re just trying to avoid a large scale schism. Thankfully, retirement is not that far off. That said, I feel for the next guy. He’ll have quite a bit of work to do like our bishop.
 
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