2010 RE Congress

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I’m Hispanic and the Spanish mass at our Church is way diffrent than this. The problem is the bishops who allow this thing to happen…
 
cspb56 said:
It might not be appealing to those of european extract but let’s respect the culture and how they worship our God. Catholic means universal not european. I love the chant and classical music but also love experiencing the way others worship.
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Your statement is a textbook example of cultural relativism and a misunderstanding of the universality of Catholicism.

The Roman Rite is ONE rite that is - at least in theory at this point - supposed to be celebrated exactly the same across the world. You should be able to walk into a Roman Catholic Church anywhere in the world and the Mass should be celebrated the same whether you are in New Guinea or New Hampshire. The Roman Rite is not a cultural preference, it is a mandate.

I’m not posting this to admonish the quoted poster or anyone else who has commented here. I am posting because I truly feel sorry that so many Catholics have been led astray by our relativistic culture which has managed to manifest itself even in the Church. That’s the only reason that I post in these forums - to attack the misconceptions that arise due to the influences of relativism in the Church and to (hopefully) let people know that it is okay to recognise something as being wrong all the time, the Church has in the past and hopefully she will again someday.
 
Take solace in the fact that Los Angeles will likely have an Auxiliary Bishop starting Monday. Based on Benedict’s recent appointments, we can expect him to be more conservative than Mahoney.

Also a reminder, we have things called Thuribles for incense, we don’t need flower pots.
  1. The employment of the piano is forbidden in church, as is also that of noisy or frivolous instruments such as drums, cymbals, bells and the like.
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  1. It is strictly** forbidden to have bands play **in church, and only in special cases with the consent of the Ordinary will it be permissible to admit wind instruments, limited in number, judiciously used, and proportioned to the size of the place provided the composition and accompaniment be written in grave and suitable style, and conform in all respects to that proper to the organ.
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-Tra le Sollecitudini
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The Roman Rite (especially the Old Rite) is characterised by solemnity, and sobriety. Whatever pagan rite that was celebrated at the Congress, it was not the Roman Rite.

God save us from self-appointed liturgists.
 
Agreed!. Not the Roman Rite one bit. This was probably started and supported by the same clergy and groups of people who want to see the Holy Father destroyed by the sex abuse scandal!. An “Iconoclast” of the Roman Rite.
 
there are two churches in the catholic church: one loyal to the pope and tradition, the other worldly and corrupt. i will never give money to a organization that apears to be an arm of the modernist secular progessive agenda in this country.

the catholic church needs to be reformed all the way to the vatican. i suspect cardinal mahoney welcomes illegal immigration because of the money it brings into his diocese and their support for the democrat party.

i encourage all roman rite catholics in the diocese of l.a. to attend your local eastern catholic church. or at least stop giving money to the archdiocese until this filth is driven out.
 
Saddening. This Mass was a purposeful and direct smack in the face to the Vatican and Catholic Liturgy. The Archdiocese chose to celebrate the closing liturgy of its big RE conference illicitly.

For starters, the sacred vessels were glass and wicker.

Yet, Instruction Redemptionis Sacramentum explicitly states that,

"“Reprobated, therefore, is any practice of using for the celebration of Mass common vessels, or others lacking in quality, or devoid of all artistic merit or which are mere containers, as also other vessels made from glass, earthenware, clay, or other materials that break easily.”

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/ccdds/documents/rc_con_ccdds_doc_20040423_redemptionis-sacramentum_en.html#Chapter%20V
 
It is just sad and disgusting that there are those on this thread that think that this sort of Mass is acceptable. It goes to show you just how uncatechised many Catholics are about the liturgy that they have the gall to defend such appalling liturgies. “Sacred” means “set apart exclusively for God”, so if something is “in touch” with a local culture or society, then it has been profaned, desanctfied; it is sacrilege and all to common post-VII. Head over to Fr. Z’s blog for more about this.
 
oh no.:(:eek:

it’s abominable.

Now I understand why on other thread there’s some kind of suspicion on a Catholic movement. It’s quite confusing on who’s to blame for this kind of event. But it’s abominable.

It’s abominable.

PS: I think they needed this, in full package (altar boys, thurible, charcoal and incense included)



I witnessed similar event personally, and the feeling is…

abominable.
 
As I was chanting Matins a few minutes ago, these words of the Invitatorium really struck me in light of this abominable Mass: Quadragínta annis tæduit me generatiónis illíus, et dixi: Pópulus errántium corde sunt isti. Et ipsi non cognovérunt vias meas;
 
Revs96 said:
Relativity is a matter for physics, not theology. Those Masses are sacrilegious.
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Why? because you say so? Nothing wrong with the announcement and dismissal. Is it the recessional that makes the Mass “sacrilegious” in your persona view? :rotfl:
 
I’m a little confused with the thread response, I am currently watching the link. I see lots of singing and dancing. However, the prayer before the dismissal seems normal. The dismissal was before the singing and dancing.

In this particular youtube clip, the music is after the dismissal. Is there still a problem?

Mass needs to be reverent. However, how is this Mass explicitly irreverent? I didn’t here hand clapping and the alter was empty during the dancing. The singing and dancing was after the dismissal. The location was a stadium itself, so it doesn’t seem reasonable to expect opportunities for silent prayers because thousands of people getting out of their stadium seats and shuffling across concrete would already ensure the stadium is noisy. I do not know Spanish so I do not know if they are singing anything inappropriate.

So I guess my question: is all the negative reaction on the thread unfounded or am I missing something big.
 
SuscipeMeDomine said:
Didn’t watch the video, but Congress was – as always – wonderful and inspiring.

I went to a couple of sessions with an Australian Cistercian named Michael Casey. One was on lectio divina, the other on contemplative prayer. I came away feeling inspired to take another look at my prayer life.

A couple of sessions on RCIA were also inspiring. I’m always seeking to learn more about the process and take away ideas for making it more meaningful for our catechumens and candidates.

And overall, there’s the incredible feeling of being among 30,000 other Catholics who are on fire with their faith. Sometimes at Mass it’s easy to get into the “everyone is like me” mindset. Congress has people of all ages, races, and ethnicities. They offer programs in English, Spanish, and Vietnamese. There are young adults and elderly adults, there are clergy, religious, and lay people. You see how truly universal the Church is.

I’m so fortunate to live in this archdiocese and not have to travel from across the country to take part in this event.

I can’t wait for the next one!
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The LAREC really does have a lot of amazingly good stuff going on. It’s huge and diverse. They had a celebration of the Divine Liturgy for instance. While the LAREC isn’t really my thing overall, the judgments I’ve read here really make me wonder about the people making them.

They remind me a lot of people who try to judge California based on what they see on “COPS in South Central Los Angeles.” In other words pure bigotry fueled by abject ignorance of the truth.

I think if things tighten-up just a touch after Cardinal Mahony retires, I’ll once again start to make the annual pilgrimage.
 
Revs96 said:
Masses like this are absolute sacrilege.:mad::mad::mad: They seek to be trendy instead of setting themselves apart from the world. “Sacred” means set apart exclusively for God. To make the Mass trendy is sacrilege. I refer you to the pictures above for what a Mass actually looks like. These “Masses” are an insult to Catholics and above all to God.
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You are aware that your opinion is just that, your opinion, right?

“…what a mass actually looks like…” :rotfl:
 
SenorSalsa said:
Take solace in the fact that Los Angeles will likely have an Auxiliary Bishop starting Monday. Based on Benedict’s recent appointments, we can expect him to be more conservative than Mahoney.

Also a reminder, we have things called Thuribles for incense, we don’t need flower pots.

-Tra le Sollecitudini
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It already has 5-6 auxiliaries. Do you mean co-adjutor?
 
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