2020 Election Fraud Watch Comprehensive Thread

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And as I see it, that’s the real Trump Derangement Syndrome: he gives people the license to just say anything they want if it makes them feel better, to try to will an alternate and imaginary reality into being if it suits their emotional needs. Reality can only be denied for so long, however (as Wile E. Coyote discovers in every Roadrunner cartoon).
 
Victoria33 said:
I think Trump will prevail the way this is going.
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This is straight up looney tunes delusional. Joe Biden is the President-elect. Trump has lost virtually every legal challenge he’s tried to bring, including twice at the Supreme Court. There is no other avenue for Trump to challenge the election. You’re listening to people who are telling you what you want to hear and they’re lying to you.
 
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I think Trump will prevail the way this is going.
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How will he prevail?

What process will bring fraud to light? Who will judge the accuracy of that process?

An anonymous source in the intel community? Trump tells us not to trust anonymous sources.

Judges? They have not seen anything yet.
Congress?
The military?
 
TepeyacTraveler said:
No big deal here right?
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Nope. It’s private property. Since most of the people posting are not paying for the service, they have pretty wide latitude in what they can do. Similarly, if people wanted to post signs on your yard, you can decide on what ever arbitrary rules you like for allowing it.
 
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Did you read it? Seems this would be a fairly easy claim to prove?
 
TepeyacTraveler said:
I guess I should listen to “leadership” since they have our best interest in mind?

Again, do as I say not as I do. It’s is so obvious.
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This, of course, has nothing to do with @ThinkingSapien’s response…
 
No response warranted really if he is cool with Twitter changing their rules on the fly when they need to accomplish something.
 
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When I think of this election, I’m reminded of the Bruce Springsteen song, “no retreat, no surrender”.
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To use the military analogy, no one needs Trump to “retreat” or “surrender.” He’s been beaten. There’s no more means for him to resist even if he wanted to.
 
TepeyacTraveler said:
I guess I should listen to “leadership” since they have our best interest in mind?
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That’s a random question. Whether or not you listen and what you listen to is a personal decision. I can only tell you to apply your intellect and try to make the best and most appropriate.
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No response warranted really if he is cool with Twitter changing their rules on the fly when they need to accomplish something.
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My general view, irrespective of whether or not I agree with, like, or dislike the rules of a specific site, it’s private property. Outside of illegal actions/content and transactions that are governed by commerce laws, they have a right to their own property. Even if an action is taken that isn’t captured by the published rules, that is within their right. Is there anything that you find disagreeable with my stance?
 
Goalposts keep sliding, but there is not much room to push them back. Jan 6 is really a ministerial and ceremonial day. There have been objections raised by legislators on Jan 6 in the past, but they never got much attention. Interestingly, the last time was a Dem rising to object to Trump’s election. Then-VP Biden gaveled her down and made clear he would not put up with such shenanigans. I wonder what the current VP will do?
 
Here’s a pretty clear illustration of how disinformation is spread:

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN28R20M

An ‘expert’ in King v. Whitmer said in his first affidavit that Michigan voter turnout was 120% or more in six locations. In a later affidavit, he admits the numbers are wrong and that the alleged source he got them from no longer exists. But the disinformation machine (including FL Republican Congressman Bill Posey) has pumped the incorrect info out to the true believers, who now consider it fact. I looked through hundreds of social media responses to the posts listed in the fact-check and 99% of the posters are swallowing it hook, line and sinker, often with comments like:
  • “How can people say there is no proof of fraud? This information proves fraud clearly.”
  • “Communist can get in but only war will get them out”
  • “We have no justice system in the United States. I think Trump should charge the people in charge for not doing there jobs. Its rediculas that this was allowed to happen. We must not give in even if it starts a war.”
It looks to me like The Atlantic may well be right that Facebook (well, social media in general) is a doomsday machine.

This particular MI turnout falsehood is a good illustration of this part of the article:
The social web is doing exactly what it was built for. Facebook does not exist to seek truth and report it, or to improve civic health, or to hold the powerful to account, or to represent the interests of its users, though these phenomena may be occasional by-products of its existence. The company’s early mission was to “give people the power to share and make the world more open and connected.” Instead, it took the concept of “community” and sapped it of all moral meaning. The rise of QAnon, for example, is one of the social web’s logical conclusions. That’s because Facebook—along with Google and YouTube—is perfect for amplifying and spreading disinformation at lightning speed to global audiences.
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To me the bolded part represents what we are seeing during this election: the logical conclusion of the social web. Those with agendas (on both sides) can make the hyperpartisans (on both sides) believe whatever narrative they put forward. Imagine how much worse this will be in 4 years when deepfakes will be easy enough to construct that people in their basement can create video of any politician saying anything they want - and the human eye can’t tell the difference.

If significant portions of the populace want violence/civil war over false info in affidavits, imagine where we’ll be when they’re looking at impossible-to-detect fake videos. Doomsday indeed.
 
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I see a lot of people asking (across threads) “what efforts are you still holding out hope for”?

Because I too wanted to know, I watched a recent interview of Jenna Ellis with The Epoch Times. Starting 1:30, she lays out these plans:
  • on Dec 14, an “alternate slate” of GOP electors for Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin showed up and “cast their votes”
  • so now they have until Jan. 6 for those state legislatures to “select the correct slate”
  • as the basis for that, she says that Pennsylvania’s admission in the Texas case that “their state’s laws weren’t followed” gives the Pennsylvania legislature the basis to reclaim their authority to select the slate of delegates (i.e. call themselves back into an electoral session to decide which delegates to send on Jan. 6)
  • she envisions that this could happen in all 6 states prior to Jan. 6
  • they also are investigating ways to refile the Texas case
Note: I’m certainly not saying any of this is likely, plausible or even possible, but it seems to be the answer to the question of why some people are still holding on after the Electoral College voted.

 
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