23 Ways to Identify a Faithful Parish

[katherine2]

netmil(name removed by moderator):

No dear woman. I posted a part of an article from Crisis magazine, I did not come up with it myself. This is at the top of the thread.

I’m aware of that. I never accused you of composing an article like that, I just said you posted it.

I have an adopted sister who is African/American

I have two sisters who are self serving Liberals. Bigots in the first degree, when it comes to a disagreement with their beliefs.

Ah, the loving Catholic family. I don’t need to know if your African-American sister is one of the self-serving bigots.

Bu tmy point remains, don’t post (some one else’s) 23 point list of sacastic crictisms and be surprised when someone give a single and specific negative example.

I still thing we have bigger probelms than parishes writing mission statements.

 

[netmilsmom]

katherine2:

I’m aware of that. I never accused you of composing an article like that, I just said you posted it.

Ah, the loving Catholic family. I don’t need to know if your African-American sister is one of the self-serving bigots.

Bu tmy point remains, don’t post (some one else’s) 23 point list of sacastic crictisms and be surprised when someone give a single and specific negative example.

I still thing we have bigger probelms than parishes writing mission statements.

This was the first line of the post…
“I saw this on another website, I loved it! It’s from Crisis Magazine so it may not be for the more Liberal of us.” Perhaps this should have been an indication that it was going to be something you found sarcasm in. It is not at all.

To those that are looking for a parish that is Traditonal Catholic and not Charistmatic Catholic, these words are far from sarcastic.

I am not surprised by your negative response, that is nothing new, I’m surpised at the crassness of it coming from someone who is supose to be inclusive.

My African/American sister is more conservative than I. She is truly a Blessed person and far from self serving. She is one of many of my sisters. However, understand that I would be just as offended if you called her the “N” word as I am that you refer to the men as “boys”.

And as I stated, charity had nothing to do with your post regarding the priest and to state it as you did hints, conservative=two-faced.
One bad apple does not spoil the whole bunch.

 

[katherine2]

netmil(name removed by moderator):

And as I stated, charity had nothing to do with your post regarding the priest and to state it as you did hints, conservative=two-faced.
One bad apple does not spoil the whole bunch.

I find it absolutely amazing that you post regular and broad brush heapings of blasts against progressive or liberal Catholics, yet findit so offensive that I would cite one actual experience in a particular situation.

I am sorry you do not have peace and concord in your family.

 

[netmilsmom]

katherine2:

I find it absolutely amazing that you post regular and broad brush heapings of blasts against progressive or liberal Catholics, yet findit so offensive that I would cite one actual experience in a particular situation.

I am sorry you do not have peace and concord in your family.

That’s it, just ignore what you did and point to me…
There is a beam in your eye, old woman.

 

[Rara_Avis]

As much as I have enjoyed LOL at the posts on this thread and the pure ridiculous statements of some … I feel the need to point out the obvious!

That unity no longer resides in the visible Catholic Church

There should be harmony and concord in that spiritual world, the Church of God, the grandest conception of His omnipotence, and the most bounteous manifestation of His goodness and love for mankind!

It is clear that Jesus Christ intended that His Church should have one common doctrine which all Christians are bound to believe, and one uniform government to which all should be loyally attached.

The Church, in fine, is called in Scripture by the beautiful title of bride or spouse of Christ, and the Christian law admits only of one wife. In fact, our common sense alone, apart from revelation, is sufficient to convine us that God could not be the author of various opposing systems of religion. God is essentially one. He is Truth itself.

And yet her (within) the supposed Church of Christ we have exactly the opposite???

 

[Scotty_PGH]

katherine2:

Well, we’re not like a nearby conservative parish where Father is carefully not to upset the rich white boys that pay for his vacation in San Juan every year by preaching social justice.

This is bigoted and offensive language, bordering on “hate speech.” Inflammatory posts like this have no place on an otherwise charitable and responsible message board.

 

[jrabs]

Thanks Netmil(name removed by moderator). I LOVED this thread and I am in agreement. This past year, the Holy Spirit urged me to flee from a parish that was liberal to one that touches every point in this thread.

And I’ll tell you what…it does make a difference. In my entire family right down to my 8yr old. Praise be for Adoration.

 

[netmilsmom]

jrabs:

Thanks Netmil(name removed by moderator). I LOVED this thread and I am in agreement. This past year, the Holy Spirit urged me to flee from a parish that was liberal to one that touches every point in this thread.

And I’ll tell you what…it does make a difference. In my entire family right down to my 8yr old. Praise be for Adoration.

How blessed you are!!!
I did the same. Instead of undoing the “Church School” lessons that my children were being taught with a purchased copy of the St. Joseph’s Cathechism, I find myself thanking God, all the Angels and Saints along with Our Holy Mother when my four year old sings Latin and my seven year old suggests a rosary.

May all Catholics find such joy!

 

[Trelow]

Rock on, we got most of them met, and are working the rest.

 

[Trelow]

Rara Avis:

As much as I have enjoyed LOL at the posts on this thread and the pure ridiculous statements of some … I feel the need to point out the obvious!

That unity no longer resides in the visible Catholic Church

There should be harmony and concord in that spiritual world, the Church of God, the grandest conception of His omnipotence, and the most bounteous manifestation of His goodness and love for mankind!

It is clear that Jesus Christ intended that His Church should have one common doctrine which all Christians are bound to believe, and one uniform government to which all should be loyally attached.

The Church, in fine, is called in Scripture by the beautiful title of bride or spouse of Christ, and the Christian law admits only of one wife. In fact, our common sense alone, apart from revelation, is sufficient to convine us that God could not be the author of various opposing systems of religion. God is essentially one. He is Truth itself.

And yet her (within) the supposed Church of Christ we have exactly the opposite???

She’s not the problem, she has got Her orthodox sons, and Her heterodox ones.
Never was She promised that her children would behave.

 

[Rara_Avis]

Trelow:

She’s not the problem, she has got Her orthodox sons, and Her heterodox ones.
Never was She promised that her children would behave.

It has gone way passed behaving! When you have to seek out a Church that teaches Truth! We are not talking minor little differences here - we are talking 100% division in “the church”. The Church is no longer a place of worldly unity

This could once be said of the Church!

“How sublime and consoling is the thought that whithersoever a Catholic goes over the broad world, whether he enters his Church in Pekin or in Melbourne, in London, or Dublin, or Paris, or Rome, or New York, or San Francisco, he is sure to hear the selfsame doctrine preached, to assit at the same sacrifice, and to partake of the same sacraments.”

This is no longer true - you can hardly find the same Mass in the same City never mind the world - questions lie in wait of corrupt doctrine - invalid Masses and and invalid sacraments. Because priest and bishops change the words at the drop of a hat rendering the ‘sacrament’ invalid - like that case in Australia - where the priest changed the name of “The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost” - they were saying 100’s of baptism are now in question! … That’s unity for ya!

 

[netmilsmom]

Rara Avis:

The Church is no longer a place of worldly unity

This could once be said of the Church!

“How sublime and consoling is the thought that whithersoever a Catholic goes over the broad world, whether he enters his Church in Pekin or in Melbourne, in London, or Dublin, or Paris, or Rome, or New York, or San Francisco, he is sure to hear the selfsame doctrine preached, to assit at the same sacrifice, and to partake of the same sacraments.”

My heart goes out to you. I see it as well. But again all I can say is, find a parish teaching truth and stay there. Tell your friends. Welcome them there. Talk with your feet.

In my Diocese, they are closing or clustering parishes. The decision has not come down yet. In my old parish, the talk was that they would not be closed because they had no debt. Yes, no debt but bleeding parishoners.
I got a call from them last week stating that there was no one to wash altar linens. I decided to do it for the month anyway (apparently the front office had not gotten the word that I left). When I went in to get them, the votive candle holder that they had just purchased was empty. The other (there are only two, not even in the church but in the vestibule) had five candles. The lady in the office asked me if I could do Feb. linens as well because the woman who was doing it, left the parish!
Yet, in my new parish, we had 80 women show up for the Altar and Rosary society meeting (I guess I am called to launder linens!).
The more we show support for the parishes that teach the truth, the more the truth will come back.

And please pray for those who do not have it as good as we do. Especially those who do not even know it!
God Bless you, my friend. Remember that by our example shall we be known.

 

[itsjustdave1988]

Good list.

I would add, “12 men are selected for Holy Thursday’s washing of feet”.

How does one measure if Latin has “pride of place” in the Liturgy? Does that mean in the context of every Mass at every parish? Or within the context of the Diocese? Or within the context of the universal Church? Or does it simply mean that the official Mass text in the editio typica of the Latin Rite is, and will always be, in Latin?

At our parish, we chant the Agnus Dei at daily Mass, but the rest is in the vernacular. Other than a question on what “pride of place” means, our parish has the others well covered.

 

[fix]

Great list. I am sure many will be disturbed by it.

 

[netmilsmom]

fix:

Great list. I am sure many will be disturbed by it.

You’ve got that right!
I did try to put a warning at the beginning, I guess it should have been stronger.

However, it warms my heart to see how many are coming in with kudos to their own parishes.
There is hope!

 

[Ignatius]

Rara Avis:

This could once be said of the Church!

“How sublime and consoling is the thought that whithersoever a Catholic goes over the broad world, whether he enters his Church in Pekin or in Melbourne, in London, or Dublin, or Paris, or Rome, or New York, or San Francisco, he is sure to hear the selfsame doctrine preached, to assit at the same sacrifice, and to partake of the same sacraments.”

And it is the fervent prayer of many here that it may be so again, and soon. Pray for a return to piety, holiness, and unity. God Bless.

 

[fix]

netmil(name removed by moderator):

You’ve got that right!
I did try to put a warning at the beginning, I guess it should have been stronger.

However, it warms my heart to see how many are coming in with kudos to their own parishes.
There is hope!

I can’t stop thinking how shocking it is that we even have such a list. We have fallen way off course, but as you say, there is great hope and things are improving.

 

[netmilsmom]

itsjustdave1988:

Good list.

At our parish, we chant the Agnus Dei at daily Mass, but the rest is in the vernacular. Other than a question on what “pride of place” means, our parish has the others well covered.

I think you have it covered! If one never hears a bit, it may not be good!

 

[Trelow]

katherine2:

netmismon,

You post a 23 points blasting and belitting priests and parishes on everything you think they are doing wrong, and then you are blown away that I make a negative reference about one particular priest (who in charity, I don’t indentify)? Get a grip, girl!

Spend less time thinking any parish that has a mission statement is a step away from heresy and more time focused on things that matter.

Preaching on social justice to the neglect of moral fortitude is like cleaning up the blood instead of stopping the hemorrhage.

Did Jesus ask the young rich man to give his money to the poor or to Caesar?
Wait! Even before that He made sure he was following the moral law! How odd!

Immorality causes social injustice. Social injustice only causes immorality when we pastor to temporal bodies before we pastor to immortal souls.

 

[fix]

Trelow:

Immorality causes social injustice…

I have said that your years.