2nd gay bishop for Episcopal Church

[John7]

A lesbian this time…hmmm

"The Episcopal Diocese of Los Angeles has elected a lesbian as assistant bishop, the second openly gay bishop in the global Anglican fellowship, which is already deeply fractured over the first.

Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, spiritual leader of the world’s 77 million Anglicans, said Sunday that the choice raised “very serious questions” for the divided church and urged restraint.

The Rev. Mary Glasspool of Baltimore needs approval from a majority of dioceses across the church before she can be consecrated as assistant bishop in the Los Angeles diocese.

Still, her victory Saturday underscored a continued Episcopal commitment to accepting same-sex relationships despite enormous pressure from other Anglicans to change their stand."
from:comcast.net/articles/news-national/20091204/US.Episcopalians.Gay.Bishops/

 

[AJTheMan]

Good for them. Perhaps their parish can continue to go on normally with a Bishop in place.

 

[Catholic29]

Good for them. Perhaps their parish can continue to go on normally with a Bishop in place.

We will see.

But this election is sure to be yet another ecumenical obstacle for the Catholic Church and all others who take the Bible seriously in what says about homosexuality.

 

[baltobetsy]

I have a job as a singer in an Episcopal parish. This morning the rector joyfully announced this news, very glad that the church will not be held hostage by some conservatives in Africa! All righty then…

I have met Rev. Glasspool and heard her preach. As a believing Catholic, I am torn. On the one hand, I don’t believe women are eligible for ordination. On the other, she is one of the most amazing preachers I have ever heard. When she opens the scriptures and begins to speak, it’s like a symphony. I’m sure it’s because she chooses what she says carefully according to her audience, but I’ve not heard her say anything in a sermon that was objectionable from a Catholic doctrinal point of view. Surely she has, but not when I’ve heard her. She keeps the politics out of her preaching for worship, I guess.

Betsy

 

[kyria]

I have a job as a singer in an Episcopal parish. This morning the rector joyfully announced this news, very glad that the church will not be held hostage by some conservatives in Africa! All righty then…

I have met Rev. Glasspool and heard her preach. As a believing Catholic, I am torn. On the one hand, I don’t believe women are eligible for ordination. On the other, she is one of the most amazing preachers I have ever heard. When she opens the scriptures and begins to speak, it’s like a symphony. I’m sure it’s because she chooses what she says carefully according to her audience, but I’ve not heard her say anything in a sermon that was objectionable from a Catholic doctrinal point of view. Surely she has, but not when I’ve heard her. She keeps the politics out of her preaching for worship, I guess.

Betsy

Satan has a habit of giving a lot of truth and then giving it a twist. Maybe the twist in this scenario is not what she preaches, but what she is displaying. A person living a homosexual life which is against the bible and displaying it under the guise of a good Christian speaker. Already you are torn. If you who are a Catholic torn, then how many others who are part of her Church are unduly influenced to start pondering if in fact it is not so wrong to be a practicing homosexual because surely God would not grant her the ability to be such a charismatic preacher if her lifestyle weren’t ok with God? but is it actually God assisting her with her preaching? Hitler was a charismatic person yet quite evil, and he was able to draw others in. I am not saying this woman is on par with Hitler, but her preaching is tarnished by her living a lesbian life, which is against the bible. And that lifestyle is on display for others to become confused about the law of God. If they become confused about one law, then it won’t take Satan long to get them to become confused about another, and then another.

Satan acts like a symphony with many, it is how he often draws others into his liar. And often people think they are doing the work of God, but are infact paving the way for more souls to be taken in by Satan.

 

[gamewell45]

A lesbian this time…hmmm

"The Episcopal Diocese of Los Angeles has elected a lesbian as assistant bishop, the second openly gay bishop in the global Anglican fellowship, which is already deeply fractured over the first.

Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, spiritual leader of the world’s 77 million Anglicans, said Sunday that the choice raised “very serious questions” for the divided church and urged restraint.

The Rev. Mary Glasspool of Baltimore needs approval from a majority of dioceses across the church before she can be consecrated as assistant bishop in the Los Angeles diocese.

Still, her victory Saturday underscored a continued Episcopal commitment to accepting same-sex relationships despite enormous pressure from other Anglicans to change their stand."
from:comcast.net/articles/news-national/20091204/US.Episcopalians.Gay.Bishops/

I don’t see it as much as an issue as others might. They said it was the end of the Episcopal Church when they permitted Women to become Priests; they said it was the end of the church when Gene V. Robinson became a Bishop and guess what? We’re still here; well, a few parishes and clergy went on their way. So be it. Change often does not come easy.

I wish her all the best.

 

[imkingdad]

I don’t see it as much as an issue as others might. They said it was the end of the Episcopal Church when they permitted Women to become Priests; they said it was the end of the church when Gene V. Robinson became a Bishop and guess what? We’re still here; well, a few parishes and clergy went on their way. So be it. Change often does not come easy.

I wish her all the best.

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For the sake of the Anglican Church, one might hope that she in NOT Confirmed by the necessary number of churches. Anglican Leaders vs the divided American Episcopal Church see this as an open Affront to the AC and clearly state that schism is assured as a result of this action (certainly if she is confirmed).

The somewhat racially tinged remarks by the OP quoting the Pastor where she sings are repugnant since its not an African movement but a liberal vs conservative confrontation within the Global Anglican Community.

Lastly this will certainly impede reconciliation efforts between the Catholic Church
and the Anglican community. To date there has been much unrest, Fear, and
uncertainty for American Episcopalians. This will probably cement some of their individual points of view & courses of action to the detriment of their Churches.

Hopefully we here at CAF will pray for the Anglican Church & its leaders. We will certainly pray for the success of the Pope’s generous offer for reconciliation.

Good Luck Gamewell is appears that more difficulties are on the horizon for your
Church & its membership.

 

[gamewell45]

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For the sake of the Anglican Church, one might hope that she in NOT Confirmed by the necessary number of churches. Anglican Leaders vs the divided American Episcopal Church see this as an open Affront to the AC and clearly state that schism is assured as a result of this action (certainly if she is confirmed).

The somewhat racially tinged remarks by the OP quoting the Pastor where she sings are repugnant since its not an African movement but a liberal vs conservative confrontation within the Global Anglican Community.

Lastly this will certainly impede reconciliation efforts between the Catholic Church
and the Anglican community. To date there has been much unrest, Fear, and
uncertainty for American Episcopalians. This will probably cement some of their individual points of view & courses of action to the detriment of their Churches.

Hopefully we here at CAF will pray for the Anglican Church & its leaders. We will certainly pray for the success of the Pope’s generous offer for reconciliation.

Good Luck Gamewell is appears that more difficulties are on the horizon for your
Church & its membership.

Thanks for your response.

I appreciate your concern regarding this. I think for the Catholic Church and the Anglican community to reconcile, it will have to be a two-way street with compromise on both sides otherwise the chances of it happening would be next to nothing.

The Conservative Episcopalian’s who might be upset with the recent events will threaten to leave the church; a few will, some will stay and hope that things will go back to the way they were. Either way if they decide to leave we’ll wish them all the best and go in peace.

While there may be more difficulties on the horizon for us and our membership, the American Episcopal Church has been through rough times before; we’ll survive this and move on with our continuing mission in life.

Thanks so much for your promise to keep us in your prayers for us and our leaders and additionally for the success of the Pope’s generous offer of reconciliation. I’m sure at some point in the future, tho’ I"m not sure in our lifetimes, there might be a reconciliation. Likewise I’ll keep you and the Catholic Church in my prayers that we overcome the obstacles between us at some point so a reconciliation may occur.

 

[Cominghome89]

I am truly and honestly curious how any Anglican can reconcile support for the homosexual lifestyle with Romans 1:24-27:

Therefore, God handed them over to impurity through the lusts of their hearts 15 for the mutual degradation of their bodies. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and revered and worshiped the creature rather than the creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity.

Believe me, I have no hatred or disrespect for people who engage in homosexuality. I think their lifestyle is naturally and morally wrong, but I hate sins, not sinners. I love every person on this earth. My question is, how can a church ordain people who are actively participating in a lifestyle that is ungodly? These are words of our Holy Scripture.

I am aware that many have made this point, I would just like an Anglican to give their feelings on these verses. I am very curious.

Peace and blessings,
Frank

 

[Usbek_de_Perse]

I don’t see it as much as an issue as others might. They said it was the end of the Episcopal Church when they permitted Women to become Priests; they said it was the end of the church when Gene V. Robinson became a Bishop and guess what? We’re still here; well, a few parishes and clergy went on their way. So be it. Change often does not come easy.

I wish her all the best.

I am a member of the Diocese of California (San Francisco Bay region), a very liberal diocese. If for no reason other than our national church’s relationship with the Anglican Communion, I secretly hope that the majority of bishops and standing committees will not assent to her consecration. We have clashes between ethical systems. The ethical system that reasons that gay and lesbian relationships should be equal to marriage clashes with traditional morality. As noted elsewhere, I side with traditional morality, finding the arguments in favor of jettisoning it rather unconvincing.

And, frankly, I want to believe otherwise. I just can’t.

 

[AlaricTeudisson]

I am truly and honestly curious how any Anglican can reconcile support for the homosexual lifestyle with Romans 1:24-27:

Therefore, God handed them over to impurity through the lusts of their hearts 15 for the mutual degradation of their bodies. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and revered and worshiped the creature rather than the creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity.

Believe me, I have no hatred or disrespect for people who engage in homosexuality. I think their lifestyle is naturally and morally wrong, but I hate sins, not sinners. I love every person on this earth. My question is, how can a church ordain people who are actively participating in a lifestyle that is ungodly? These are words of our Holy Scripture.

I am aware that many have made this point, I would just like an Anglican to give their feelings on these verses. I am very curious.

Peace and blessings,
Frank

Frank,
As an Anglican, my answer is that we can only ordain people actively participating in these lifestyles if we disregard Holy Scripture. Conservative Anglicans are routinely caricatured as homophobic, bigoted and backwards by our liberal brethren when we use Holy Scripture as the cornerstone of our argument against these innovations.

Usually our liberal brothers and sisters will not come right out and throw Holy Scripture on the scrap heap. But, “experience” does seem to trump Scripture.

Typically the “justice” issue combined with the “baptismal covenant” argument is the standard rebuttal from the liberal side. What I mean by this is that our liberal members/leadership do not view the behavior as sinful. Therefore denying access to the priesthood/bishopric to a baptized member is a gross violation of the sacrament of baptism. In order for the behavior to be deemed morally neutral/or good our liberal members usually deem the scriptural prohibitions as culturally bound and therefore not valid in today’s society. Occasionally someone makes the argument that the type of homosexuality that we see today was not what was being anathematized by the prophets or NT writers. Sometimes the shellfish argument is used to support the need for a new look. In all cases that I have seen, the liberal side does declare that the Holy Spirit is driving the innovations. They vehemently deny that the movement is of Man and not of God.

The pattern I see is theological language that has had the traditional meaning dropped and new meanings substituted. For example, the Gospel message is no longer viewed as Christ dying for the forgiveness of broken humanity’s sins but instead it is all about loving & serving others (which is great, but it’s largely a Christless gospel). In my opinion the cross has become a tragedy and embarrassment for much of our leadership (in TEC). Its too ugly and messy. Christ instead becomes a good man who preached against the oppressive social structures of his day and was tragically put to death.

Again, all of this is my opinion. It’s hard to place liberal Anglicans into one monolithic structure. One thing is for sure though. While we (conservative and liberal Anglicans) say the same words, they do not often have the same meaning.

Jeff

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

“The End” is a very subjective statement. Some might have meant “the end” to mean the end of the denomination in its existence being terminated and others might mean “the end” is the end of its legitimacy, holiness, and ability to be a true church. TEC has become a brood of vipers and a place where theology, holiness, faithfulness to Scripture, and continuity with tradition and reason are jettisoned completely. TEC is so far gone from orthodox Christianity that it’s almost unrecognizable save for the mitres, pretty brick buildings, and titles. With all the antics, gay marriages, gay ordinations, tolerance for abortion, unwillingness to excommunicate, tolerance of statements about Christ being “a” way not “the” way (a la Schiori!), and Buddhist clergy as well as pagan and non-Christian co-worship, etc. etc. I fail to see how anyone could justify TEC as a church at all. From a Catholic point of view “the end” of TEC happened long ago and this is just the aftershocks of an earthquake of sinful theology and values.

I don’t see it as much as an issue as others might. They said it was the end of the Episcopal Church when they permitted Women to become Priests; they said it was the end of the church when Gene V. Robinson became a Bishop and guess what? We’re still here; well, a few parishes and clergy went on their way. So be it. Change often does not come easy.

I wish her all the best.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

San Francisco? Liberal? When did that happen? LOL

I am a member of the Diocese of California (San Francisco Bay region), a very liberal diocese. If for no reason other than our national church’s relationship with the Anglican Communion, I secretly hope that the majority of bishops and standing committees will not assent to her consecration. We have clashes between ethical systems. The ethical system that reasons that gay and lesbian relationships should be equal to marriage clashes with traditional morality. As noted elsewhere, I side with traditional morality, finding the arguments in favor of jettisoning it rather unconvincing.

And, frankly, I want to believe otherwise. I just can’t.

 

[Cominghome89]

As tragic as it is that the Anglican Communion seems to be so broken and divided over this and other issues of liberalism, it seems so fitting that the Vatican has so recently issued Anglicanorum Coetibus, allowing for full communion with Rome and retention of Anglican liturgy, tradition, etc. I hope and pray that many of our brothers and sisters will take advantage of this in an effort to heal the broken Body of Christ.

Cardinal Newman, pray for us! All you holy angels and saints, pray for us!

Peace and blessings,
Frank

 

[Trunicate09]

Being a non-religious Deist and former Catholic, I see this as a good thing that this church is reaching out to its members who have been marginalized by society at large. Good for them. I wish them well and good things on their spiritual journey.

 

[Hesychios]

2nd gay bishop for Episcopal Church

The Rev. Mary Glasspool of Baltimore needs approval from a majority of dioceses across the church before she can be consecrated as assistant bishop in the Los Angeles diocese.

Still, her victory Saturday underscored a continued Episcopal commitment to accepting same-sex relationships despite enormous pressure from other Anglicans to change their stand."

If upon receiving approvals she is consecrated, she will certainly not be the 2nd gay bishop for the Episcopal Church.

Setting aside for the moment that whole argument about women not to be priests or bishops, it is pretty clear that there have been homosexual and bi-sexual bishops before Vicki Gene. The difference is that those individuals were hiding their behaviour, while now new bishops and candidates tend to openly acknowledge and endorse these alternative lifestyles, while actively living it in full view of the flock.

It appears that the TEC moratorium on gay bishops has lapsed, if it wasn’t stillborn.

 

[Cominghome89]

Being a non-religious Deist and former Catholic, I see this as a good thing that this church is reaching out to its members who have been marginalized by society at large. Good for them. I wish them well and good things on their spiritual journey.

I guess I just don’t understand how acting contrary to the history and doctrine of the true Christian faith is “reaching out to its members.” This encourages a lifestyle that Christianity has always seen as harmful. IMHO, doing more to educate people on the reasons homosexuality is an unhealthy lifestyle and making it clear that ALL sinners are to be shown love and kindness, no matter what their current lifestyle may be, would be more fruitful for this church than to just pretend all lifestyles are perfectly acceptable and ordain these men and women bishops.

Love the sinner, hate the sin. Telling everybody they are ok just the way they are is not Christian.

Peace and blessings,
Frank

 

[gamewell45]

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If we didn’t do the things you describe above, then we’d be Roman Catholic, which of course we’re not.

The nice thing about living in the United States is that you have choice. Those who believe as you do, should be Roman Catholic; those do think as we do are Episcopals.

From the Catholic point of view, “the end” may have happened long ago, but as far as the Episcopal Church views it, it never happened and as i’ve said in an earlier post in here, change can be difficult to embrace. While I don’t speak for the Episcopal Church, only as a member of the church, most people in my Parish would take the same position.

 

[AlaricTeudisson]

Gamewell,
That is such a load of horse hockey. You just threw all Protestants under the bus with your comment. There are plenty of Protestants (and I would say the majority), certainly the majority of Anglicans, who do not think as you and your parish does.

You can uphold Abortion, pluralism, unitarianism and a twisted view of marriage as your standard all you like. As for me and my house (and the majority of Protestants) we will serve the Lord.

Unbelievable,

Jeff

 

[baltobetsy]

The nice thing about living in the United States is that you have choice. Those who believe as you do, should be Roman Catholic; those do think as we do are Episcopals.

Interesting choice of words. So Catholics believe and Episcopalians think? Subtle.