30 Million suit vs. "perv" Pastor

[reen12]

This is always very sad for everybody and priests particularly need our prayers and compassion.

And here I was, thinking that those youngsters who were molested were to be the
prime focus of prayer. Sad for everybody?
My God.

‘sad.’

Much more than sad, I can assure you. Possible lifelong psychological damage
doesn’t really have an adequate ‘adjective’ that applies.

Priests are grown men. They should be prayed for at all times.

In this instance, the youngsters who were molested were not full grown.
They, more than any others, deserve our prayers.

reen12

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

Precisely.

I think that what you are noting here, is the burden that the
Church in the United States will carry for decades.
No matter which individuals ‘used’ these events to
excoriate the Church, in an attempt to undermine her authority,
it must ever be remembered that these events actually happened.

It was a time for sackcloth and ashes - for begging God
to extend mercy and forgiveness. For removing the
episcopal ring, raising funds in the disposal of same?
-funds that might have been used for the professional
treatment of some of the lambs who were profoundly wounded,
-having been spiritually betrayed, by a given prelate,
as they were surely betrayed by rogue clerics.

Pride really does come before a fall.
For an individual, as well as an institution.
The ‘triumphalism,’ occassionally encountered, has been justly deflated.

This is a mercy, extended by God Himself.

reen12

And in Canada, Ireland, England, And much more of the world. The clerics and the “religious” (!!!) sin, the “poor bloody infantry” forks out the cash to keep them in the style to which they have become accustomed. The mediaeval laity did occasionally kill their bishops - STM that is one activity that could usefully be revived. ​

I don’t think that the triumphalism has been deflated. Rome after all is the Church That Can Do No Wrong - it is Christ, therefore it is sinless (and people accuse a politician of having a Messiah-complex !), therefore it has done nothing wrong, therefore there is almost certain to be a repeat of all this. All that will change are the faces, of the victims, and of the criminals and their apologists.

The real danger is that these horrors will be whitewashed, and the Church presented as the victim. That really is something to be afraid of.

 

[reen12]

**This happens in the US and elsewhere **than the US - it points to something very sick in your foul religion. And “business as usual” is not going to cure it; it will merely ensure a recurrence of the same depravity…There may be a more criminal & corrupt and corrupting religion than Catholicism, but I can’t imagine which.

God bless you, Gottle of Geer.

Let those who have eyes, see.
Let those who have ears, listen.

reen12

 

[Reuben_J]

And here I was, thinking that those youngsters who were molested were to be the
prime focus of prayer. Sad for everybody?
My God.

‘sad.’

Much more than sad, I can assure you. Possible lifelong psychological damage
doesn’t really have an adequate ‘adjective’ that applies.

Priests are grown men. They should be prayed for at all times.

In this instance, the youngsters who were molested were not full grown.
They, more than any others, deserve our prayers.

reen12

Of course prayers for the victims. It would be uncharacteristic of the church and from what I say if we don’t and do not recognize the psychological trauma that is inflicted on them.

In the light of how uncharitable and unproportionally high the focus on the scandal, thread like this inevitably would come out. Not all Protestants are uncharitable; in fact I would think that those who have vast experience working in their churches respectively probably sympathize with what happened in the Catholic Church on this issue. But there is no denying that there are Protestants who try to score point over this.

The idea is as someone has rightly mentioned – that this happening is not isolated to the Catholic Church. Basically this is human weaknesses and sin. Of course this is something that the Catholic Church has to address. Lots of studies need to be done especially how much social factor, if any, is a contribution to it.

It is never to justify the scandal caused by Catholic priests concerned. In fact the Church accepts full responsibility that is within what she can do in accordance with her belief. That the Church does not condone nor is trying in anyway to justify the scandal very important point to be noted. The huge amount of out-of-court settlement helps in a small way to address the sin and to heal the aggrieved parties though such action can never be complete. Only God ultimately be the judge to punish and to bless.

God bless.

 

[Reuben_J]

God bless you, Gottle of Geer.

Let those who have eyes, see.
Let those who have ears, listen.

reen12

The debate will go on regardless of what the church does. We can frothe in the mouth and be very angry and bitter, but ultimately God will be the judge. The enemy will always have someting to say that will bring us down but we will peservere for God is with us. God incarnate did not come for the healthy but sinners. Priests are only too human though those who fall are in minute minority. God will always look on the righteous, even if there are **only ten **of them in the US.

That is why prayers is called for, not so much condemnation, for who would throw the first stone?

God bless.

 

[Randy_Carson]

So noone should mention the worldwide sex abuse scandal and coverup to the hightest level in the catholic chuch, because protestants have clergy that also abuse children?

Of course not, and that was not my point.

But you knew that…

 

[Bill_Pick]

reen, Thank you for show us how little you know about the term :FATHER" and the boys said the priset had on plain cloths and did not have on any :|“uniform” as you call it. So you know very little of what you are talking about,but thank you for your opinion.
BTW I see from your profile you do not list your faith,do you have a reason for that ???Nice talking to you.

 

[reen12]

Even if your mother forgets you…

I will never forget you.

*See? *

I have written your name on the palms of My hands. [Isaiah 49]

The institutional ‘forgetting’ process is well underway.

This process puts me in mind of that which Gottle of Geer wrote.

quote: Gottle of Geer

And “business as usual” is not going to cure it;
it will merely ensure a recurrence of the same depravity.

You’re right, Michael. And there will always be those
who will not cooperate in the ‘forgetting’ process.
Who will stand athwart any attempt to so do.

…Qui tacet consentire.

reen

 

[Bill_Pick]

Even if your mother forgets you…

I will never forget you.

*See? *

I have written your name on the palms of My hands. [Isaiah 49]

The institutional ‘forgetting’ process is well underway.

This process puts me in mind of that which Gottle of Geer wrote.

quote: Gottle of Geer

You’re right, Michael. And there will always be those
who will not cooperate in the ‘forgetting’ process.
Who will stand athwart any attempt to so do.

…Qui tacet consentire.

reen

Does any one know what this person is talking about

 

[BrianH]

I assume you mean the Latin phrase…the rest is cut and dried
It means something like if you keep quiet it is assumed you agree with what is being done.

 

[josie_L]

Dear God, please close this thread. Amen.

 

[JonNC]

Dear God, please close this thread. Amen.

An ecumenical prayer, indeed.

 

[josie_L]

An ecumenical prayer, indeed.

Jon, my Lutheran friend, I like you, so when are you going to become Catholic?

 

[Jon_Hus]

Maybe I’m wrong. Someone tell me I’m wrong. It seems to me all good Christians feel a sense of shame and betrayal when our clergy act in such improper, sinful ways. Perhaps we would better spend our time praying for the Holy Spirit’s comforting of the victims, praying for the reconciliation of the perpetrators to Christ, and the healing of our various communions when these things happen.

Jon

No JonNC, you are not wrong, you are 100% correct. I personally know of the many doctrinal differences between my faith and the RCC and yet I understand that scandals involvng any organization which claims to be Christian brings down the whole lot when a scandal comes to the light of day. To those who are not Christian in any fashon, the doctrinal differences between Catholic and Protestant are meaningless. Nobody should be claiming superiority on this issue. But again, I believe that the Bible teaches individual responsibility for one’s sin and faith. When I stand before the King of Kings to give account, there will be no one there except my savior to plead my case.

 

[OneTrueCathApos]

Listen here with people like Gottle of Geer and Reen21 and others who so like them have such hatred towards the Catholic church. As if the only thing they can say here is starting at the year 2001 when the story broke free with the abuses. My point of this discussion is to let you know that these abuses are not a “Catholic thing” and I am sick and tired of non-Catholics who only have this story to go by to try and beat up on the church that Christ founded. Even Jesus said His church will not be perfect. They are the people inside that make mistakes, pedophiles BEFORE they are priests have been in the church.
The Catholic church is not perfect, but Jesus is. An institution that has stood for 2,000 years, when all others have failed goes way beyond any man made mistake because it is guided by the Holy Spirit.
If Gottle and others want to take a look at their denominations, they will also see what happens behind closed doors. I don’t see them leaving their church because of their abuses. Protestanism is still the highest of molestation of children than anyone else and that’s a fact. Sad, but true.
I am from Boston where Cardinal Law was and he was a good man. I don’t agree with his decisions, but what would anyone of you had done if given the situation? You don’t know. Given the whole weight on one’s shoulders, you really don’t know. No one knows the whole story, people assume he “shuffled” priests" around. I went to his Mass in Rome in his church and I felt sorry for the guy. I think everyone needs to be forgiven just like Jesus said. Don’t you think that Gottle? Or are you hell bent on “assuming” things that you don’t even know about, especially being a non-Catholic. A lot of it were lies and witch hunts.

 

[GKC]

What is Gottle’s denomination?

GKC

 

[josie_L]

What is Gottle’s denomination?

GKC

Supposedly he’s Catholic.

 

[GKC]

Supposedly he’s Catholic.

That was my impression, too.

GKC

 

[BrianH]

Listen here with people like Gottle of Geer and Reen21 and others who so like them have such hatred towards the Catholic church. As if the only thing they can say here is starting at the year 2001 when the story broke free with the abuses. My point of this discussion is to let you know that these abuses are not a “Catholic thing” and I am sick and tired of non-Catholics who only have this story to go by to try and beat up on the church that Christ founded. Even Jesus said His church will not be perfect. They are the people inside that make mistakes, pedophiles BEFORE they are priests have been in the church.
The Catholic church is not perfect, but Jesus is. An institution that has stood for 2,000 years, when all others have failed goes way beyond any man made mistake because it is guided by the Holy Spirit.
If Gottle and others want to take a look at their denominations, they will also see what happens behind closed doors. I don’t see them leaving their church because of their abuses. Protestanism is still the highest of molestation of children than anyone else and that’s a fact. Sad, but true.
I am from Boston where Cardinal Law was and he was a good man. I don’t agree with his decisions, but what would anyone of you had done if given the situation? You don’t know. Given the whole weight on one’s shoulders, you really don’t know. No one knows the whole story, people assume he “shuffled” priests" around. I went to his Mass in Rome in his church and I felt sorry for the guy. I think everyone needs to be forgiven just like Jesus said. Don’t you think that Gottle? Or are you hell bent on “assuming” things that you don’t even know about, especially being a non-Catholic. A lot of it were lies and witch hunts.

Your problem is not with Protestants, although you think it is. The problem is with the growing nonreligious segment. In one hundred years at this rate, the 70 percent of the US that is nonreligious will look at the small segment of Christians left and wonder why we rip each other’s heads off.

 

[josie_L]

Your problem is not with Protestants, although you think it is. The problem is with the growing nonreligious segment. In one hundred years at this rate, the 70 percent of the US that is nonreligious will look at the small segment of Christians left and wonder why we rip each other’s heads off.

I agree we need to get along more (at least on social justice and moral issues) but in some instances I can understand OHCA, it is very hard to get people to unite when there seems to be so much bias against the CC (media and all). God bless.

p.s. And I do agree with you that we need to do something about the growing non-religious segment in the U.S. and around the world.