30 Seconds - Purgatory

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If you’re on an elevator with someone who questions your Catholic belief in purgatory. How do you explain this belief, and back it up with Scriptural citations by the time you get to the lobby floor?

Your response - including specific biblical citations, if necessary, must be readable within 30 seconds.

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“It is wholly good to pray for the dead”—sry forgot where that is from…

…the Bible also said that you can’t pray for the damned, and those in heaven don’t need prayer…so logically if there are dead and they aer neither in heaven or hell they have to be somewhere…
 
“Are you a Protestant?”

“Yes”

“Then you believe that one is saved/justified by faith alone. Once one is saved, I presume you believe that God then begins a process of sanctification in us, by the Holy Spirit, through our obedience to him. I presume you would agree that most people don’t die being completely sanctified. Well, if one’s sanctification isn’t complete at the moment of death, that sanctification must continue after our death, because nothing unclean can enter into heaven (Rev. 21:27). This process of post-death santification is what the Church calls purgatory. Period.”

“Oh, I want to convert to Catholicism, then.”

“It’s about time.”
 
Hebrews tells believers, “Strive for … the holiness without which no one will see the Lord” (Heb 12:14). If, as the Bible says, holiness is something for which believers must strive, then not all believers have attained it yet; you do not strive for something you have already attained. If a believer should die without attaining in this life ‘the holiness without which no one will see the Lord’, then he must somehow attain it in the afterlife. Catholics call this final, afterlife sanctification of believers: Purgatory.
 
2 Maccabees 12:39-45: discusses about people praying for the deceased, but if people are in heaven then there is no need for prayer to save their souls as they have had their reward and if the dead are in hell then prayer would be futile as they are beyond our help. So there must be a transitional state or location where a person’s soul could be helped by the prayers of others.

1 Corinthians 3:15: it tells how each of our good and bad deeds are to judged after death, The passage refers to fire, which will test the worth of each man’s labour. If it is burned up…he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames. This passage could be interpret as an orientation to the purifying fires of Purgatory, which would eventually allow a person to escape.
The above cannot refer to hell, as people cannot leave that place on their own accord, and it cannot refer to heaven, as there is no pain there, so it has to refer to some in between location.

Revelation 21:27: states that no impure person will enter heaven. “But nothing unclean shall enter it…” Some reason that if a person dies with some minor sins still on their record, then they are evidently not pure; they must go to some place to be refined until they can achieve heaven.

Psalm 141:8;
Daniel 12:10;
Micah 7:9;
Zechariah 9:11;
Matthew 5:26;
Matthew 12:32 & 36;
Luke 12:47-48;
Philippians 2:10;
Hebrews 12:22b;
James 3:1;
1 Peter 3:19;
1 Peter 4:18;
1 Peter 7:37;
Jude 23.
Genesis 50:10;
Numbers 20:29;
Deuteronomy 34:8;
2 Maccabees 12:44-45;
1 Corinthians 15:29;
2 Timothy 1:16-18;
2 Timothy 4:19

These passages also discuss the probability of the existence of purgatory

Yours in the Spirit

Pious 😉
 
“Purgatory Not in Scripture”
Scripture teaches that purgatory exists, even if it doesn’t use that word and even if 1 Peter 3:19 refers to a place other than purgatory.

Christ refers to the sinner who “will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come” (Matt. 12:32), suggesting that one can be freed after death of the consequences of one’s sins. Similarly, Paul tells us that, when we are judged, each man’s work will be tried. And what happens if a righteous man’s work fails the test? “He will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire” (1 Cor 3:15). Now this loss, this penalty, can’t refer to consignment to hell, since no one is saved there; and heaven can’t be meant, since there is no suffering (“fire”) there. The Catholic doctrine of purgatory alone explains this passage.

Then, of course, there is the Bible’s approval of prayers for the dead:. Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from this sin" (2 Macc. 12:43–45). Prayers are not needed by those in heaven, and no one can help those in hell. That means some people must be in a third condition, at least temporarily. This verse so clearly illustrates the existence of purgatory that, at the time of the Reformation, Protestants had to cut the books of the Maccabees out of their Bibles in order to avoid accepting the doctrine.

Prayers for the dead and the consequent doctrine of purgatory have been part of the true religion since before the time of Christ.

Not only can we show it was practiced by the Jews of the time of the Maccabees, but it has even been retained by Orthodox Jews today, who recite a prayer known as the Mourner’s Kaddish for eleven months after the death of a loved one so that the loved one may be purified. It was not the Catholic Church that added the doctrine of purgatory. Rather, any change in the original teaching has taken place in the Protestant churches, which rejected a doctrine that had always been believed by Jews and Christians.

Probably too long… right? 👍
 
Just tell them that purgatory does not have to be place, but it could be something that happens. Ask, we need to have no sin on our soul to go into heaven right? they say “yes”. “well what happens if you die and you have sin on your soul?” they say “the blood of the lamb will wash it away”, then you say, "see that cleansing process is purgatory, it may take a second, or a minute, or a year, but there it is.

As for verse, I am too lazy to look it up right now, but it is in matthew and it is about after you die"you won’t get let out until ever last penny has been paid". we know that we can’t get out of hell. so if we aren’t in hell, and not yet in heaven, then we must be paying our pennies in purgatory.
 
Hi Hwinston,

Pious gave a great answer but I would like to look a little closer at a couple of verses. Matt 5:25 says, “Be at agreement with thy adversary betimes, whilst thou art in the way with him: lest perhaps the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into PRISON.” In greek, this word “Prison” is Phulaken and is reference to Purgatory. Why? First, if you consider that this is part of the Sermon on the Mount, in context, this cannot be talking about a physical prison. You can see this clearly if you consider that in 1 Pet 3:19 it says, “In which also coming he preached to those spirits that were in PRISON:” The same Greek word is used here for “Prison” - Phulaken. This is significant because it speaks of Christ preaching to those souls there and in verse 18 makes it clear that it is after Christ’s death. Also in Matt 5:26 is says that the soul in prison will get out after he pays the last farthing.
The other excellent verse is 1 Cor 3:13-15 which says, “Every man’s work shall be manifest. For the DAY OF THE LORD shall declare it, because it shall be revealed in fire. And the fire shall try every man’s work, of what sort it is. 3:14. If any man’s work abide, which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 3:15. If any mans work burn, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire.” Notice that it says, “Day of the Lord” which means the day of your death. So after your death it says, “If any mans work burn, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire.” He himself shall be saved BY FIRE. This is Purgatory.

May God bless,

James224
 
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