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I just got back from watching the new movie…300…I must say “WOW”.

This was one awesome movie. Kind of like a more violent/comic book version of Gladiator. I give this movie a definite thumbs up!!! 👍
 
The movie is mostly fact based on the Battle of Thermopolaye. Xerxes a greedy king tries to take over all of Greece, but has a hard time doing so when he comes across the mighty Spartans.

Frank Miller, the man who did the graphic novel, based his novel on such. I read an interview recently where he talked about all the research and history that went in this. It’s not just a comic book movie…

As far as nudity, it’s brief and tasteful, not gratuitous.

I still reccomend it.
 
Ah yes, the Battle of Thermopylae. The Persian Shahanshah (“King of Kings”, ie. Emperor) Xerxes is said to have invaded Greece with over one million soldiers (historians will say it was more like 100,000 at most). The Greeks abandonded their defenses at the pass of Thermopylae, except for 300 Spartan warriors and their King who held off the Persians for several days before dying to the last man. The battle dealt the Persian army heavy casualties and they were defeated soon after.

I want to see this movie. It looks quite good and I hear that the director chose to take an interesting perspective on the battle- rather then taking a mythological story and making it historical as many recent movies have done, this movie is giving a historical event a mythological twist. Should be good.
 
I just got back from watching the new movie…300…I must say “WOW”.

This was one awesome movie. Kind of like a more violent/comic book version of Gladiator. I give this movie a definite thumbs up!!! 👍
I can second that. I just came from the movie about 30 minutes ago. The story is well told, but never gets in the way of the visceral experience. You MUST see it in the theater, a DVD will not give you the same affect. Lots of moral story telling, though not too preachy.
 
It’s premiering in IMAX in my area, and I can’t EVER remember a movie premiering in IMAX before - I would love to see it, it looks amazing!

Hmmm - maybe we can go do that Saturday night…:cool:

~Liza
 
Actually the 300 Spartans had non-Spartan allies who fought beside them at the pass, although even their combined forces were grossly outnumbered by the Persians.
 
rr1213 beat me to it. Yes it was Leonidas and his 300 Spartans along with Theban allies, etc. This is one of those historical myths like Hernan Cortez conquering the Aztec empire with his few conquistadores while ignoring the massive amount of Tlaxcalan warriors who accompanied him.

There was a movie called “The Three Hundred Spartans” which came out back when I was a kid. However, this is an excellent novel which tells the real story:

amazon.com/Gates-Fire-Novel-Battle-Thermopylae/dp/055338368X/ref=pd_bbs_2/002-7746454-9158409?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1173472049&sr=1-2
 
I can’t EVER remember a movie premiering in IMAX before
it’s fairly common these days. Superman Returns did it. I think that horrible Tom Hanks Christmas train thing did it. Fantasia 2000 was released first in IMAX, then in regular theaters. Treasure Planet was the first to be released to IMAX and normal theaters together.
 
Shows how often I pay attention to movies!!! 😃

Well - this thread did it - we have a date for tomorrow night now, a real live true goin’ out on the town kinda date!!!

Reservations for the movie at the IMAX, and probably dinner before hand.

WAAHOO!! 👍

~Liza
 
Don’t support the film. I did, and I’m sorry for it. The movie was entertaining, but I don’t think Catholics should see the film. It has graphic sex scenes and the Spartans (who are supposed to be good guys) throw babies with blemish into a pit of death. I guess we were supposed to forget about that about halfway through the film.
 
The movie was loads of fun, but I don’t think Catholics can watch it in good conscience. I know I didn’t. The nihilism was heavy, and the sex scenes were gratuitous.
 
I saw it. It wasn’t a bad movie. As far as the sex scenes. One of the scenes was between a husband and wife. There was a semi rape scene, but nothing in detail. The only scene that made me squirm a little was in the tent of the Persian leader. That was sorta bordering on an orgy. But my brother did point something out to me. He said it showed how twisted and morally corrupt the bad guys (the persians) were.
 
I will post my thoughts on the movie here, they may be of interest to various people;

(WARNING! Plot spoilers!)

SEX AND NUDITY

People have made an issue of this, and so I address it first. There are four scenes which have sexual themes in (although a large number of scenes show some sort of nudity - there are three hundred very buff men standing around in posing pouches for most of the movie, as the Spartans do not wear armour). I do not equate nudity necessarially with sex and - as a man - am not sexually aroused by “beefcake” on display (although, I daresay that if there had been 300 attractive women in bikinis it may have been a different matter). In any case, the four sexual scenes are;

i) A love scene between husband and wife. Their relationship is established as entirely monogomous (given the husband’s comment about the fact it would take more than an adolscent girl to make his wife not look attractive). The husband and wife are clearly in love, have a healthy relationship and are open to children. Both of them clearly seem to enjoy the sex, which is presented in a realistic manner. Her breasts are clearly visible and it is obvious that they are having sex.

This is the SINGLE positive depiction of sex in the movie.

ii) A scene with the Oracle, who is dressed scantilly and dances lascioviously while drugged. She is effectively a prisoner of some corrupt priests (who are told to be corrupt, inbred, evil and part of an older and backward religion of mysticism - not at all like the democratic, civilized rest of Greece). These men are explicitly referenced as taking advantage of her, she is chosen for her beauty, she suffered because of their attentions.

This scene shows objectification of women as sex objects = bad

iii) What is effectively a rape scene - the Queen (the wife above) is forced to offer herself to another man in order to gain his political support. He is violent towards her and specifically says that he will hurt her because he is not her husband - showing that her husband does not. Significantly, although she does drop her top, you do not see her breasts - perhaps showing that she is not opening herself to him. She certainly does not look like she is enjoying it, and very much endures it.

iv) The “orgy” scene shows various conqubines, several of whom are scared and deformed, and otherwise disgusting to look at, engaged in disordered sexual acts. These acts are not shown in any great detail, but it is clear what is going on. This sexuality is used as temptation. The aspect of sexuality being shown here is obvious - sex when used for temptation is disgusting (the scene is not erotic - it is disturbing and weird).

Now, as we can see, three of these depictions of sex are the modern, secular version of it - sex for power, prostitution, sex with anything, sex all over the place - and they are deliberately shown to be bad and those who perform them are evil (two are traitors, the others are the corrupt enemies of the Greeks). The positive depiction of sex is shown between a mother and father who are married and who are in a monogomous relationship open to children. Both are heroic and are very decent, civilized people.

Also, the King says of a boy old enough to fight (at least 18 by his looks and build) that he is “too young to have known the warm embrace of a woman”. that shows that the Spartans (as portrayed in the movie) had very definite ideas about the time for sex.

Not presented in the movie is the homosexuality of the Spartans. While this is historically inaccurate, this shows that the movie as a whole is presenting a certain image, one which I personally take as a pseudo-Christian message. Certainly not perfectly Christian, but having very definite elements…

TREATMENT OF WOMEN

Two characters speak ill of women in the movie - a traitor and a Persian emissary. Both state that women have no speaking rights and are inferior. The heroes of the piece show no such views - although they do clearly recognise that women are inferior fighters. The woman who is spoken off in this manner defends herself not with some modern feminist claptrap, but a line concerning her motherhood.

The concept that women are good and great because of their motherhood is a very positive one which also finds itself in Christianity.

Also, the King’s comment about the adolescent girl not causing him to loose desire for his wife (she is at least old enough to have a 7 year old son, and her husband is 40 - she might very well be about 35 or older) is in direct contravention of the current trend which is “younger is better” (the actress is 34, BTW).

Again, this pushing of monogamous marriage is a positive one.

VIOLENCE

The movie is very, very violent and is exceedingly brutal. Be warned. There is nothing more I can say to that, except that . . . have you read the Bible recently? 🙂 The gore is certainly pervasive, but it is not splashed everywhere. It is dramatic, comic book violence which - while not glossing over it - does not dwell on it. I do not think that violence need be a reason to not see a movie.
 
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RELIGION

Historically, the Spartans were a pantheistic people. There is a single reference to “Zeus” (chief of the gods) in the narrative from a Spartan. All other references to religions which are pantheistic are very negative and say that it is an outdated, old-fashioned, mystical piece of claptrap.

However, there are two references to God in the singular - which I found surprising. I took note of them at the time, but cannot remember both. One is when David Wenham (a Spartan) looses an eye and says “The Lord saw fit to give me a spare” - WAAAA???

So, we have evil priests of outdated religions who rape pretty girls and are bribed by gold and the promise of more pretty girls. We have a group of invaders who follow loony religions (as opposed to the Greeks, who are democratic, decent, civilized, humane - although clearly religious) who also do vile things with deformed girls and hate women in general.

This, in my mind, is a positive comment for monotheism.

“SUPPORT THE TROOPS!”

A minor point this - when the Queen addresses the Council, she does not argue that they need to send troops to defend the homeland, but rather that to not send more troops leaves the other troops out their - and their families - high and dry.

THE PERSIANS

As people will be aware, Persia is modern-day Iran. The Iranians very often refer to themselves as Persians. While the Persians in the movie do not look like Moslems, I believe they are intended to represent radical Islam.

Now, let us look at the vague plot of the movie;

The Persians make threats against the Greeks. They show distain for women and not only make threats, but actually bring the crowns and heads of dead kings as a physical sign of this.

The Spartans say that the Athenians (whom they respect not as warriors, but philosophers) have already rejected the offer. And then make war.

The law of Greece (a loose alliance of states) says “No fighting!”

Sparta gets around this because of a kick-donkey, devil-may-care kind of warrior chief and his attitude of “guy’s gotta do what a guy’s gotta do”. He speaks often of “freedom” and fighting to defend “civilization” against the darkness of mysticism and tyranny.

The Council (a collection of lawmakers who seem to have some sort of control over the King, although he has some sort of power of them, and clearly have power to impeach or imprison him) is controlled by a cowardly, traitorous peacemaker who is in the pay of the enemy. They say “No fighting!”

The King and his brave 300 fight and die. Even when allies desert them. Even when they are betrayed. Even when they know it will be pointless. They fight for freedom against tyranny.

The evil of the traitor is exposed and the Council says “Go to war!” David Wenham tries manfully (and almost succeeds) to keep a smirk off his face as he delivers a speech about “a better world will arise because of our sacrifice, a world better than we can imagine.”

This WHOLE movie is a movie about the following things;

i) General Western conservative principles (which have been espoused by Christianity) are good and better than mystical tyranny.

ii) Freedom is preferable to life

iii) The civilization of the world is Western

iv) Legislative bodies are corrupt, evil and the single man doing the right thing is a good person.

v) Sex is for married couples, not casual fornication.

vi) Sometimes you have to break the laws of countries to defend the countries that those laws are made by.

Ultimately? This is one of the most conservative, Right-wing, pro-War on Terror movies I have ever seen. It is a masterpiece of the art, it is wonderfully constructed to smuggle both theology and politics. I think it is superb and I wish I had written it.

Seriously, everyone who calls themselves a Christian needs to see it. Does it mean we should go glass Tehran? No. Does it mean that civilization is western and that we owe our modern world to 300 guys in posing pouches and cloaks?

Absolutely - say a prayer tonight for those brave three hundred men. Yes, they were violent brutes who had never heard of Christ - but I hope God can find a place in Heaven for them.

Without them, we wouldn’t have the West.
 
(continued)

RELIGION

Historically, the Spartans were a pantheistic people. There is a single reference to “Zeus” (chief of the gods) in the narrative from a Spartan. All other references to religions which are pantheistic are very negative and say that it is an outdated, old-fashioned, mystical piece of claptrap.

However, there are two references to God in the singular - which I found surprising. I took note of them at the time, but cannot remember both. One is when David Wenham (a Spartan) looses an eye and says “The Lord saw fit to give me a spare” - WAAAA???

So, we have evil priests of outdated religions who rape pretty girls and are bribed by gold and the promise of more pretty girls. We have a group of invaders who follow loony religions (as opposed to the Greeks, who are democratic, decent, civilized, humane - although clearly religious) who also do vile things with deformed girls and hate women in general.

This, in my mind, is a positive comment for monotheism.

“SUPPORT THE TROOPS!”

A minor point this - when the Queen addresses the Council, she does not argue that they need to send troops to defend the homeland, but rather that to not send more troops leaves the other troops out their - and their families - high and dry.

THE PERSIANS

As people will be aware, Persia is modern-day Iran. The Iranians very often refer to themselves as Persians. While the Persians in the movie do not look like Moslems, I believe they are intended to represent radical Islam.

Now, let us look at the vague plot of the movie;

The Persians make threats against the Greeks. They show distain for women and not only make threats, but actually bring the crowns and heads of dead kings as a physical sign of this.

The Spartans say that the Athenians (whom they respect not as warriors, but philosophers) have already rejected the offer. And then make war.

The law of Greece (a loose alliance of states) says “No fighting!”

Sparta gets around this because of a kick-donkey, devil-may-care kind of warrior chief and his attitude of “guy’s gotta do what a guy’s gotta do”. He speaks often of “freedom” and fighting to defend “civilization” against the darkness of mysticism and tyranny.

The Council (a collection of lawmakers who seem to have some sort of control over the King, although he has some sort of power of them, and clearly have power to impeach or imprison him) is controlled by a cowardly, traitorous peacemaker who is in the pay of the enemy. They say “No fighting!”

The King and his brave 300 fight and die. Even when allies desert them. Even when they are betrayed. Even when they know it will be pointless. They fight for freedom against tyranny.

The evil of the traitor is exposed and the Council says “Go to war!” David Wenham tries manfully (and almost succeeds) to keep a smirk off his face as he delivers a speech about “a better world will arise because of our sacrifice, a world better than we can imagine.”

This WHOLE movie is a movie about the following things;

i) General Western conservative principles (which have been espoused by Christianity) are good and better than mystical tyranny.

ii) Freedom is preferable to life

iii) The civilization of the world is Western

iv) Legislative bodies are corrupt, evil and the single man doing the right thing is a good person.

v) Sex is for married couples, not casual fornication.

vi) Sometimes you have to break the laws of countries to defend the countries that those laws are made by.

Ultimately? This is one of the most conservative, Right-wing, pro-War on Terror movies I have ever seen. It is a masterpiece of the art, it is wonderfully constructed to smuggle both theology and politics. I think it is superb and I wish I had written it.

Seriously, everyone who calls themselves a Christian needs to see it. Does it mean we should go glass Tehran? No. Does it mean that civilization is western and that we owe our modern world to 300 guys in posing pouches and cloaks?

Absolutely - say a prayer tonight for those brave three hundred men. Yes, they were violent brutes who had never heard of Christ - but I hope God can find a place in Heaven for them.

Without them, we wouldn’t have the West.
:clapping: :tiphat: :amen: You need to right a review for a christian site or something on this movie. I could not have said it better myself. I think most Catholics will look as far as the violence and nudity and not look at the biiger picture or hidden meaning in this movie. You said it perfectly. Props to you.
 
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