31 of 53 girls from Texas FLDS have been pregnant

[ibkc]

From Breitbart:SAN ANTONIO (AP) - Texas child welfare officials say more than half the teen girls swept into state custody from a polygamist sect’s ranch have been pregnant. Child Protective Services spokesman Darrell Azar says 53 girls between the ages of 14 and 17 were living on the ranch in Eldorado. Of that group, 31 already have children or are pregnant.
State officials took custody of all 463 children at the Yearning For Zion Ranch more than three weeks ago after a raid prompted by calls to a domestic violence hotline.
Child welfare officials say there was a pattern of underage girls forced into “spiritual marriages” with much older men at the ranch.

Absolutely despicable. Is anyone still up for defending the FLDS?

 

[zaffiroborant]

From Breitbart:SAN ANTONIO (AP) - Texas child welfare officials say more than half the teen girls swept into state custody from a polygamist sect’s ranch have been pregnant. Child Protective Services spokesman Darrell Azar says 53 girls between the ages of 14 and 17 were living on the ranch in Eldorado. Of that group, 31 already have children or are pregnant.
State officials took custody of all 463 children at the Yearning For Zion Ranch more than three weeks ago after a raid prompted by calls to a domestic violence hotline.
Child welfare officials say there was a pattern of underage girls forced into “spiritual marriages” with much older men at the ranch.

Absolutely despicable. Is anyone still up for defending the FLDS?

Well you don’t seem to be getting many takers here but over on the MAAD board there are some.

Among the sickest lines of reasoning:

“If this is what they consider to be normal and accepted behavior, is there, in fact, a problem?”

 

[ralphinal]

What kills me is that now they are saying that a prank phone call got the police involved and because of that, everything should go back to the way it was.

 

[why_me]

Not so fast. I think that this number is already disputed. On one can see by the discussion on the mormon apologetics site, the figure is perhaps inflated so Texas can slow down the process and cover their butts.

As I have said, texas is in deep do-do over this debacle.

mormonapologetics.org/index.php?showtopic=35344

 

[ralphinal]

Not so fast. I think that this number is already disputed. On one can see by the discussion on the mormon apologetics site, the figure is perhaps inflated so Texas can slow down the process and cover their butts.

As I have said, texas is in deep do-do over this debacle.

mormonapologetics.org/index.php?showtopic=35344

So, they should have left them alone? If one child, one 15 year old girl, is saved by all of this, it was worth it.

 

[ibkc]

Oh why me, I knew you wouldn’t disappoint! :clapping:

I am following this case pretty closely and I think it is premature to say that Texas is in “deep doo doo”. Opinions offered on the Mormon apologetics board are always interesting, but they are not authoritative.

 

[jrabs]

Not so fast. I think that this number is already disputed. On one can see by the discussion on the mormon apologetics site, the figure is perhaps inflated so Texas can slow down the process and cover their butts.

As I have said, texas is in deep do-do over this debacle.

mormonapologetics.org/index.php?showtopic=35344

You’ll have to excuse me for not going to your referenced website to debate this. How is Texas in trouble - in your opinion.

Amen to the State of Texas. And may God shine His light brightly on that state for stepping in to try and solving this messed up situation for these children.

 

[BartBurk]

You’ll have to excuse me for not going to your referenced website to debate this. How is Texas in trouble - in your opinion.

Amen to the State of Texas. And may God shine His light brightly on that state for stepping in to try and solving this messed up situation for these children.

I’m simply amazed at how many Mormons are willing to defend the actions of these sicko polygamists and their cult. It kind of helps you know where their true feelings lie as regards polygamy. They would love to see it return.

 

[Righteousone]

Jesus must be so offended…

 

[twopekinguys]

Not so fast. I think that this number is already disputed. On one can see by the discussion on the mormon apologetics site, the figure is perhaps inflated so Texas can slow down the process and cover their butts.

As I have said, texas is in deep do-do over this debacle.

mormonapologetics.org/index.php?showtopic=35344

The state of Texas cannot be in “deep do-do” as much as you would like to think.

The state of Texas had warrants to enter the compound. Warrants don’t just materialize out of thin air. Law enforcement has to go before a judge with their preliminary evidence to get it.

Even if it turns out that it was a prank call (and that hasn’t been determined), the state was acting in good faith, with what they believed to be credible evidence. The judge must have also thought it was credible in order to issue the warrant. I’m sure their warrant was issued for the protection of minor children in reasonable danger of child abuse. (Spiritual marriages between adults and minors would surely fall into this catergory)

I do not see how any rational human being can say the state of Texas did the wrong thing by going in there and trying to protect those children.

What you call covering their butts can be equated to the state of Texas going to the hardware store to buy more nails, so they can nail those men’s worthless hides to the wall.

 

[why_me]

So, they should have left them alone? If one child, one 15 year old girl, is saved by all of this, it was worth it.

It is the way the state handled this case that is the problem. At this moment all the children have been separated from their families as the state decides what to do. For a child to be separated from their parents is indeed traumatic. And if that family is innocent of any wrong doing, then there is injustice. Now of course, the state will have to find foster families to take them in. Then they will have to decide on what religion the children should belong to since they were raised to believe in god. Then the state will have to make sure that all the children will have the maximum support to be successful in this life. For example, all the comforts of home for quite awhile.

Then of course, when the children become adults the state just may be sued by the children for forced separation from loved ones and claim emotional abuse.

The problems for the state are endless now and in the future.

 

[why_me]

Even if it turns out that it was a prank call (and that hasn’t been determined), the state was acting in good faith, with what they believed to be credible evidence. The judge must have also thought it was credible in order to issue the warrant. I’m sure their warrant was issued for the protection of minor children in reasonable danger of child abuse. (Spiritual marriages between adults and minors would surely fall into this catergory)

Well, lets put it this way: when law enforcement breaks down your door in the middle of the night and by doing so, they give you an heart attack, remember that they broke down your door in good faith based on a prank phone call. No harm done.

 

[twopekinguys]

It is the way the state handled this case that is the problem. At this moment all the children have been separated from their families as the state decides what to do.

What should the state have done? Baked them cookies and said please can we take your children and protect them?

 

[twopekinguys]

Well, lets put it this way: when law enforcement breaks down your door in the middle of the night and by doing so, they give you an heart attack, remember that they broke down your door in good faith based on a prank phone call. No harm done.

First, it has not been determined that it was a prank phone call.

Second, I happen to be one of those people who support law enforcement. I wouldn’t want their job, and it is obvious that most other people don’t want it either.

As far as going to the wrong house in the middle of the night. That isn’t what happened here. They had the right address .

There have been cases where law enforcement has raided the wrong house. But, when they do, they have made it right with people involved. Let’s try examples a little closer to the subject at hand next time, ok?

Since you obviously believe that law enforcement is wrong in this situation, how do you think the safety of the children should have been protected in this situation?

 

[majick275]

It is the way the state handled this case that is the problem. At this moment all the children have been separated from their families as the state decides what to do.

you seem to gloss over the fact that the FLDS church reassigns women and children and exiles young men all the time. we don’t even know yet who belongs to what family.

For a child to be separated from their parents is indeed traumatic.

is it as traumatic as being raised from birth to be raped by old men? to be exiled for being male?

And if that family is innocent of any wrong doing, then there is injustice.

i think the facts already show no one on this compud was innocent.

Now of course, the state will have to find foster families to take them in.

not a problem. teh state is ready for this.

Then they will have to decide on what religion the children should belong to since they were raised to believe in god.

no they don’t. the state doens’t make this determination.

Then the state will have to make sure that all the children will have the maximum support to be successful in this life. For example, all the comforts of home for quite awhile.

that’s an exaggeration. the state just has to get them into a safe home.

Then of course, when the children become adults the state just may be sued by the children for forced separation from loved ones and claim emotional abuse.

The problems for the state are endless now and in the future.

good luck with that. you need to look up sovereign immunity. the state has nothing to fear.

 

[majick275]

Well, lets put it this way: when law enforcement breaks down your door in the middle of the night and by doing so, they give you an heart attack, remember that they broke down your door in good faith based on a prank phone call. No harm done.

well if the patriarch of my home was already in prison for arranging the rape of underage girls by other men in the house and multiple underage girls living in the home were pregnant or had children already and none were allowed out of the house and we had populated the home to begin with by separating families in two other states to build up what the man in prison thought was the perfect environment for him to rule then I might understand the police breaking down the door.

 

[ralphinal]

As a sign that God is good, this occured in Texas. First, they have a large system to handle this, unlike Mississippi or Alabama, where we don’t. Second, this occured in Texas where the mentality is live and let live but when you do wrong, you pay the piper. Third, this was in Texas where the FLDS and those who sypathise with them don’t have a lot of political pull.

WhyMe, are you saying that nothing bad was going on in there? Or, are you saying that bad things may have been going on, but since no arrest warrents were signed before the raid, no raid shouldhave occured? Or, are you saying the the letters LDS at the end of the name means that they are never wrong?

 

[why_me]

First, it has not been determined that it was a prank phone call.

It has been determined that it was a prank call by a woman, She has been identified. I am sure that I am correct in this.

 

[why_me]

WhyMe, are you saying that nothing bad was going on in there? Or, are you saying that bad things may have been going on, but since no arrest warrents were signed before the raid, no raid shouldhave occured? Or, are you saying the the letters LDS at the end of the name means that they are never wrong?

If there is abuse in the family then the children should be removed. But in this case all children were removed without proof of abuse. That is the problem. The innocent and the guilty were lumped together in one big swoop. If you were innocent of abuse and your children were taken from you, you just may be a little angry.

 

[why_me]

well if the patriarch of my home was already in prison for arranging the rape of underage girls by other men in the house and multiple underage girls living in the home were pregnant or had children already and none were allowed out of the house and we had populated the home to begin with by separating families in two other states to build up what the man in prison thought was the perfect environment for him to rule then I might understand the police breaking down the door.

But if you were innocent but presumed guilty and had your children removed because of your neighbor was guilty and have the state claim that you are an abuser you may just feel a little different.