340 parishes reportedly join Orthodox Church of Ukraine

[Athanasiy]

Despite the fact that the Kremlin is trying to bribe the ecclesiological elites in the Balkans, persuade the Greeks on Athos, shout at the mouthpiece of persecutions in Ukraine (although there is a big difference between some inconveniences and persecutions), the Ukrainian Orthodox Church received “Thomos”

 

[Athanasiy]

In Catholic and Orthodox ecclesiology (unlike Protestantism) there is a very important virtue of this humility and submission to the central authority. The Kremlin once again emphasizes the old sinful dynamics of rebelliousness and spiritual pride.

 

[Athanasiy]

It turns out that for the Kremlin, the Greeks are to blame for the fact that they wrote church canons. According to the Kremlin, the Kremlin should write and interpret canons. (which the Kremlin did in the days of communism with the help of communist party members- the pseudo synods and high priests)

 

[dvdjs]

These schismatic Churches must return to mother Church for their own good…

The mother church of Orthodox of Ukraine is the EP. And to their mother they have returned.

 

[RomanChristian]

Mother Church is the Russian Church it’s not the OCA it’s not the Church Constantinople is just one among equals. The Church of Constantinople cannot interfere in another Church estate he is limited in what he can do he is not like your pope who tells you what you can and cannot do. The Church of Constantinople will need to correct itself in order to return to full communion among; unlike us, you are told to obey the Pope of Rome whether you agree or not you have no choice in the matter.

Today I was on the Phone with one of my friends who is a Ukrainian Catholic Priest and I have shown him what is going on in this chatroom. I even have shown him what was removed from this form by Catholic Answer. See I keep copies of what is written He is looking at what I wrote. I asked to correct me if I error in what I have stated. In our talks, he said that I understand Catholic theology and that I could remember things learn so long ago from reading books on your religion.

I have pretty good information on the Catholic going back a very long time ago in positions once held and how it has changed it’s over the centuries. Where Papal Infallibility comes from when it was declared a dogma in the year 1870 just like the Immaculate Conception declared the same year. Before this date, Catholic didn’t have to believe this what so ever both of these beliefs come out of Vatican Council I, not from Trent Council or any earlier local Council held by your Church alone since 1054AD.

 

[dochawk]

Like I said there is only one Church and that is under the Moscow patriarch, the other one is in schismatic Church not excepted by any of the Churches listed.

You are spouting the Moscow party line in its dispute with the EP.

The EP and the Church of Constantinople do recognize the UOC, and would not refuse communion.

Your statement of universal rejection is simply not true, given this.

Also, this is the the way in which other now-canonical OC became their own.

Of course, if we really want to get hyper technical, it’s the MP that is in schism from the KP, which it presumes to have relocated and usurped, both in its initial settlement in Muscovy, and aggravated this when it kidnapped the episcopacy of that church and sent instead its own bishops to hold a false synod, appropriating the property of that church and forcing it underground . . .

But neither of these approaches get the faithful anywhere.

Technically they’re all schismatic til they submit to the authority of the papacy

Not according to those guys with funny white outfits and beanies who live in the Vatican hills, but . . .

No matter what you believe the Roman Catholic Church is out of communion with the Churches of Jerusalem and Antioch. My Church is communion with both of these Churches are you…???

And you’re not in communion with the church of Constantinople, upon whose authority your tomos depends–but that doesn’t get us anywhere, either.

The Church of Constantinople will need to correct itself in order to return to full communion among;

 

[Athanasiy]

I travelled in West Europe. The shops with pro-Putin and Sovieticus symbolics are doing very well.
People make fun proudly with t-shirts of USSR, PUTIN, STALIN.
The owners of such shops by the way, a big fans of Putin with Western passports, In the democratic and legal countries, they boldly and proudly almost threaten those who, in the comments, dare to question their beliefs.
And at the same time there are already dozens of cemeteries in Ukraine, twenty years of isolation and the impossibility of integrating into a civilized, united European community, and the war with the oncoming historical monster, which is ready to once again unleash a third world war.
but in my opinion Putinists are no less dangerous than radical Islamists, and West should pay more attention to these talkers and monitor them.

 

[Athanasiy]

It is not Putin who made modern Russia or Russians, it is Russia and Russians who made Putin !!!. The Russian people endorsement of the evil of Putin’s regime is without parallel any other place on earth 89% support him in his evil and have voted for him time after time after time….

After all the Russians do know the truth about Putin by now, they know who he is, what he does, what he will do, and what he has done, it should come as no surprise to any Russian, what they are voting for after soon 20 years with Putin in power THEY KNOW ALL ABOUT HIM !! So NO it is not Putin that is the prob. here…

Putin is just like all politicians nothing more than a political animal, and like all politicians, he acts and says what he thinks will give him the most changes to stay in power and he makes sure that he stays popular to get the vote…In other words, Putin is just a reflection of the people if you like…!

May be we can be bold to say that- Putin is just a symptom of the diseased psychotic Russian mentality of the sick nation that is Russia… his voice in government is just a reflection of the Peoples needs for hard-line rhetoric.

 

[eagerbeaver]

Try reading this article

WHEN KREMLIN AND PATRIARCHATE CRY WOLF TOGETHER by Giacomo Sanfilippo | ORTHODOXY IN DIALOGUE

 

[Athanasiy]

That’s right! But there is another side of life that cripples and disfigures the younger generation.
You see, the Kremlin makes great use of the Church and spirituality as a very influential weapon. That niche about which the West forgets, the Kremlin is very involved.

Among young people, which today is very advanced in technology, in industry mobility, advanced in information regarding life direction, there is dynamism and rhythm in the direction of progress, prosperity, enrichment, development, prospects.
Look at the Romanian, Polish, Baltic educated youth.
Today they are citizens of one state called the EU. They can work for global firms and earn more than locals in Germany, Belgium, Norway. But not long ago these Eastern European countries were third world countries.
This is the miracle of the unique experiment called the EU. Russia is undermining the stability of the EU, where and as soon as possible.
Even the poorest, low educated, Eastern Europeans (millions of them) can work in western Europe by supporting their families at home.
Russia has blocked the multi-million Ukrainian youth the European perspective!
And its going on for years and years.
For all the years of independence between the EU and Russia, we are forced to choose Russia (young people have a satirical name -PARASHA)

 

[Athanasiy]

Because, in addition to cathedral bows and golden domes, there must be justice for all, protection of a small person before the court, human rights, freedom of speech, business ethics, equal opportunities, and much more things that define civilized society, and which is much more important than the ROC monopoly for the sale of candles and funeral service.

 

[Athanasiy]

The blood of the departed Ukrainian and Russian young soldiers volunteers crying out from the ground about revenge.
You know very well that according to the Bible, blood has the ability to scream for revenge from under the ground.
Even if we talk about young 18-20 years old young Russian volinteers, those who inspired these guys to come to the territory of a foreign country, those hands are in blood.

 

[ziapueblo]

O.C.A priest couldn’t give communion to any of the schismatics group that would place outside communion with other Churches that makeup all of the Orthodox Church.

A letter I received from my OCA priest (I’m Byzantine Catholic but occasionally attend Divine Liturgy at the OCA parish) from Holy Synod of Bishops of the Orthodox Church in America:

• To continue to recognize and support Metropolitan Onufry as the canonical head and Primate of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church;
• To withhold, with several of our sister Churches, recognition of the Orthodox Church of Ukraine;
• That no changes be made to the diptychs, noting that the Orthodox Church in America has not been
  formally requested to make such changes;
• That communion between clergy and faithful of all canonical Orthodox jurisdictions in North America be maintained and that any specific questions concerning the concelebration of clergy be directed to the local diocesan bishop; and
• That our clergy and faithful preserve an attitude of sobriety and restraint in any public discussions of these matters.

Just an addition, I attended the Sunday of Orthodoxy vespers this past Sunday evening at the local Greek Orthodox Church and the OCA Church participated. We all had a wonderful Lenten potluck afterwards.

ZP

 

[RomanChristian]

I agree with you and I hope one day Rome will come its senses and comes to grip that the Orthodox Christian Church is the Catholic Church that is found in the prayer that we all say in Church. I found the right place in the Catholic Church and I found it in the Russian Orthodox Church and it has set me free and shown we what it means to be Christian. I live and breath the Orthodox Christian faith and followed day by day in holiness and live as Jesus Christ wants me to live…

 

[Margaret_Ann]

The Immaculate Conception was infallibly defined by Blessed Pope Pius IX in 1854, not 1870.

Also, the Liturgy, the Horologion, the early Fathers and Doctors of the Church testify to the Immaculate Conception of the Most Holy Theotokos.

May She obtain from Her Divine Son the graces you need to recognize and repent of your errors.

 

[OrbisNonSufficit]

CCHcolonel:

Technically they’re all schismatic til they submit to the authority of the papacy

Wow, I thought news of full communion of Orthodox and Catholic Church would be all around internet, how could I miss them?

On a serious note, while we do not use “schismatic” as a term officially anymore, there is still pretty real schism between Orthodoxy and See of Peter.

 

[AlNg]

even with all the meetings that go on between the two Churches it remains the same no progress in inter communion with the Roman Catholic Church and the Orthodox Christian Church. Unless you’re Church is willing to move on the main purposes and of the divisions between the two Churches there is more than likely never ever going to be two Churches ever coming together ever again in our lifetime or in the next 1,000 years.

Yes. I think that is true. They are talking but there is still no agreement on the papal issues. In his letter to Pope Francis, Metropolitan Seraphim has said that "We Orthodox desire union as determined by Christ ". (p. 84).
http://orthodoxinfo.com/ecumenism/epistle-to-pope-francis.pdf