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The Franciscans were the first to have a Secular Order. It was approved in 1221 by Pope Honorius and sealed with a Papal Bull that can only be changed by another pope.

They are truly an order, not an association.

The other Mendicant Orders (Dominicans, Carmelites, and Missionaries of Charity) later adopted the same model and it was approved by the Holy See.

Secular Orders are true members of their religious families.

JR 🙂
 
That’s what they are called where I live as well. I contacted them, so I’ll be going to some of the meetings to see what I can see.

Thank you all for your help.

God bless,
Ut
Ut,

Praying that you find the community that matches your calling, and that your growth in holiness and your relationship with God is forever deepened as a result. :signofcross:
 
Ut,

Praying that you find the community that matches your calling, and that your growth in holiness and your relationship with God is forever deepened as a result. :signofcross:
Thanks Becky. I’ll pray for you and for your community as well. 🙂

God bless,
Ut
 
JR,
are they called Secular Order, or 3rd Order Franciscans?

Jim
Their legal name is SFO, Secular Franciscan Order.

Their original name as OP, Order of Penitents.

But that had to be changed because of confusion with the Order of Preachers.

They were never the Third Order per se. They were founded before the Friars and the Nuns.

They were the first order that St. Francis founded.

The whole Third Order thing came out of the French clericalism of the Renaissance, which not only did in the Church in France, but also doomed many religious orders to become very clerical.

The Franciscans suffered more than others, because it was not in Francis’ mind that the friars be an order of priests. It was his mind that they be an order of brothers and that priests who were already ordained could join the order and become brothers.

Finally, in the late 1990s Rome gave approval to stop the ordination of Friars Minor and ordain only as many as the order needs.

In the 1960s Pope Paul VI wanted to change the name of the secular order back to its orginal name and take away the Third Order which the French had imposed. But it was inconvenient, because that initials are the same as those of the Dominicans. So Paul VI renamed them the Order of Secular Franciscans. Francis would never name an order after himself.

They were, from their foundation an Order of Pontifical Right and still are. They were founded in 1209 and the Friars were founded in 1221.

It’s a very interesting history. They always resented being called Third Order, because they were not the third in chronology or in rank. That was not in the mind of Francis. That was in the mind of the French bishops.

Hope this helps.

JR 🙂
 
JR,
thanks for the info, its very interesting and I had no idea about other orders other than OCDS.

When you join an order such as the OCDS, you get so caught up in learning the spirituality and Rule of Life, you pretty much don’t bother learning anything about other 3rd orders.

Thanks Again

Jim
 
Is there such a thing as a Third Order Dominican?

God bless,
Ut
Hi Ut

The Dominicans have a wonderful Secular Order (Third Order Dominican)

Guess who belonged to it?

St. Catherine of Siena, Doctor of the Church
St. Martin De Porres, Patron of Peru
St. Rose of Lima, Patroness of Peru

JR 🙂
 
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