3x Hail Mary

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There is something that I’ve never got and that I thought you guys might help me understand. When we Catholics pray (rosary but especially just normally) we sometimes (not always) tend to say Hail Mary several times but Our Father only once? What is the reason? Why is it not the other way around? Protestants often criticize us for that and I’m not sure what to say.

Your help will be appreciated.

Pax!
 
The rosary is a Marian devotion. We are asking Mary to pray for us as we meditate on the mysteries of the rosary, which touch on the most important parts of her son’s life, death, and resurrection.
 
There is something that I’ve never got and that I thought you guys might help me understand. When we Catholics pray (rosary or just normally) we sometimes (not always) tend to say Hail Mary several times but Our Father only once? What is the reason? Why is it not the other way around? Protestants often criticize us for that and I’m not sure what to say.

Your help will be appreciated.

Pax!
Most Protestants hear the words ‘Hail Mary’ and immediately discard any thought of actually examining the prayer. It is a sound prayer theologically.

The first half of the Hail Mary is entirely scriptural - simply a repetition of the Angel’s and Elizabeth’s greetings to Mary. No-one should have problems with this.

The second half firstly invokes her title of Mother of God.

This is a valid title for Our Lady, based on a proper understanding of the nature of Christ as a unified individual, both human and divine, of whom she was the mother.

Not his mother in the sense that she created his divinity, which he got from God the Father. Simply that she was the mother of the whole person, who was God made flesh. Just as your mother is mother of your whole person even though some of your characteristics come from your father.

The remainder of the prayer is asking Mary to pray for us - just as you would ask your biological mother to do if you had some problem.

Yes, many Protestants do have lots of problems with praying to the deceased. These are nonsense, since we believe in a God who is God of the living not the dead. All the righteous are alive spiritually, even if their physical bodies aren’t.

We also believe in a unified body of Christ. Those who have gone before us are equally still living members of the body and connected to us through Christ who is the head. So our concerns are still their concerns, being Christ’s concerns.

There’s more stuff on prayers to Mary and the Saints available in the library here - just click on the word ‘library’ at the top of the page.
 
Thank you for the quick answers.

To my question clearer: I wasn’t asking about the prayers to the “departed” - I understand it and I see no problem with it. What I was rather asking is why do we sometimes tend to say Hail Mary more than Our Father in one “prayer session”. So to generalize and make the question clear, the title should rather be: “Why Our Father and 3 Hail Mary’s and not 3 Our Father’s and Hail Mary?”

Pax!
 
Thank you for the quick answers.

To my question clearer: I wasn’t asking about the prayers to the “departed” - I understand it and I see no problem with it. What I was rather asking is why do we sometimes tend to say Hail Mary more than Our Father in one “prayer session”. So to generalize and make the question clear, the title should rather be: “Why Our Father and 3 Hail Mary’s and not 3 Our Father’s and Hail Mary?”

Pax!
The rosary is a Marian devotion. We are asking Mary to pray for us as we meditate on the mysteries of the rosary, which touch on the most important parts of her son’s life, death, and resurrection.
The Rosary is about Christ, regardless of how many times we recite the *Our Father *and how many the Hail Mary. It’s only through Christ that Mary is full of grace, only through him that she is blessed, only through him that she can pray for us now and at the hour of our death.

I understand your question though - it used to bug me, when I was younger, that the Divine Praises, prayed during Exposition, seemingly had many more lines devoted to Mary than to any person of the Trinity - same thing though; if we’re thinking of Mary we’re loving Christ.
 
I understand your question though - it used to bug me, when I was younger, that the Divine Praises, prayed during Exposition, seemingly had many more lines devoted to Mary than to any person of the Trinity - same thing though; if we’re thinking of Mary we’re loving Christ.
Haha. Well, I guess I’m gonna have to wait few more years. 🙂

God bless! :gopray2:
 
Non-Catholics do not know that they do the same thing - some of them just want to find something to say against Catholic.

How many times do we say “the sky is nice”, “the flower is so beautiful”, “She is a gifted child”, “oh, he is such a holy man”?

Each time we say it, we praise the Lord even if we don’t mention His name.

The same thing with the Hail Mary - each time we say "Hail Mary, Full of Grace, the Lord is with Thee, … ", each time we praise the Lord.

Whenever someone is trying to find fault from others, they will hardly see the truth. They blind their own eyes.

Honoring Mary is a beautiful way to honor God who is Her creator.
 
Thank you for the quick answers.

To my question clearer: I wasn’t asking about the prayers to the “departed” - I understand it and I see no problem with it. What I was rather asking is why do we sometimes tend to say Hail Mary more than Our Father in one “prayer session”. So to generalize and make the question clear, the title should rather be: “Why Our Father and 3 Hail Mary’s and not 3 Our Father’s and Hail Mary?”

Pax!
It depends on the devotion. The Novena to the Holy Spirit which started yesterday is prayed with one Our Father, one Hail Mary, and seven Gloria’s to the Trinity. The Divine Mercy Chaplet is prayed with one Our Father, one Hail Mary, one Apostles creed, and the remaining prayers are all addressed to Our Father. The best known Catholic devotion is the Rosary, which is a Marian devotion, and as such includes more prayers asking for Mary’s prayers for us.

The holy sacrifice of the mass however, which is also a prayer, and a prayer of obligation (rather than an optional private devotion) is addressed to Our Father in heaven. Not one Hail Mary is said in the mass. When you’re criticized by Protestants, tell them to go to mass and come back and let you know how often Mary is referred to as opposed to how often we are invoking God’s blessing. The mass is our obligation, not the private devotions.

Oh, and usually Catholics begin and end each “prayer session” in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Everything in between is done for the sake of Our Father in heaven, no matter who’s prayers we’re asking to be joined with our own to Him. So, the most often said prayer is the sign of the cross, not the Hail Mary.
 
Thank you!

I think I’m getting closer to understanding this. It just bugs me that one one hand something about it bothers me and on the other I really don’t see a problem with it. I guess it’s the fact that I hanged out with too many protestants (which to some extend made me research about the Church and then come back to it :)). Please pray for me so that I fully understand because I really want to. I shall do the same.

God bless you all! 🙂

Gandalf
 
This is just my private interpretation, so forgive me if it’s off target.

When we pray the Rosary, what’s unsaid, the meditation on the mysteries, is at least as important as what is said. We ask Mary to pray for us while we contemplate the mysteries of Christ, this way we continue a perpetual prayer of praise while our own hearts are being changed by receiving from God. It’s a 3 way giving, us to Mary, Mary to God, and God to us.

In a way though, our minds are in two places at once during the Hail Mary’s, we’re asking for her prayers, but mainly meditating. When we pray the Our Father and the Glory Be, however, we are praying with our mind wholly fixed on God. The Our Father is the pinnacle of private prayer, it is the prayer Jesus taught us, so it wouldn’t make sense for us to pray this with half our minds elsewhere. Mary accepts our request for her prayers, while we’re distracted by contemplating the mysteries, because we’re not giving ourselves to her, but to Him, to God. When we pray to Him directly, He demands our total attention.

just my :twocents:
 
Thank you!

I think I’m getting closer to understanding this. It just bugs me that one one hand something about it bothers me and on the other I really don’t see a problem with it. I guess it’s the fact that I hanged out with too many protestants (which to some extend made me research about the Church and then come back to it :)). Please pray for me so that I fully understand because I really want to. I shall do the same.

God bless you all! 🙂

Gandalf
Most Protestants don’t have any form of meditative prayer, so this type of prayer if a foreign concept to them.

As you say the rosary you are meditating on the life of Christ. So, you are concentrating on Jesus despite the number of times that you say the Hail Mary.

Despite being a Marian devotion, the rosary is very Christ centered.
 
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