Don’t you mean has been headed in? Acceptance of contraception, divorce, legalized killing of innocent human beings, redefinition of marriage, liberal ‘catholics’ endorsing pro abortion politicians…your just feeling concern now?Does anyone feel concern for the direction this country is headed in?
It is not that we think Catholicism is the Truth, we KNOW that it is the Truth.
No I would not. As I previously mentioned, there is no authority on earth who has the right to silence Truth.
On a pragmatic, external level that may appear to be true. However, in your scenario the term “good” is reduced to a superficiality, referring only to temporal society living in harmony despite its differences. This sounds utopian. But it isn’t. Why isn’t it? Because there are countless souls living in such a society under the false pretense that their “truth” is as good as Catholic Truth. How many souls will fall into hell because of this indifference?
Once again, this is correct only insofar as you are told to keep your mouth shut when speaking the truth. For example, it would be wrong for me to silence you from proclaiming 2+2=4, but I would be entirely justified in attempting to silence you from saying 2+3=4. Why? Because one is true and leads to real harmony, and the other is false and leads to more falsity and chaos.
One, you are just writing over me. I said who CURRENTLY on Earth gets to decide. Also, you can’t just go around yelling that something is true and that is it.
Catholicism is Truth, but those actions would be nothing less than hypocritical.There’s a poster on the WN sub-forum that advocates putting all Muslims in “internment camps”. He got more than a few “amens” for that. I shudder to consider this might be a growing opinion.
Does anyone feel concern for the direction this country is headed in?
Catholicism is Truth, but those actions would be nothing less than hypocritical.
The fact is we’re not living in medieval Europe, though some might prefer otherwise.
It’s not effective to criticize society for pushing Christianity out of the public square when we would do the same to another religion. Trying to convince others by simply saying, “We’re right. They’re wrong,” to people who aren’t already Catholic would be silly and backfire.
Proclaim the Gospel, but don’t expect a system to work for you if you don’t want it to work for others… Although it would seem based on some posts that there are those who would prefer to be rid of our current government anyway.
The way that’s phrased sounds nice, but in other words, it seems to say that even Muslims who claim to be peaceful will be regarded with suspicion unless they somehow prove they are innocent.
What?How do you plan to do that? Separate families? Provide contraception? Sterilize them? Or maybe just watch them 24/7 so they don’t have any private time.
That’s uncalled for. How can you imply that JS doesn’t have concern for those issues. Obviously he was showing concern over the fact that Catholics are fostering extreme lines of thinking. It’s bad enough society has so many problems in general, but when Catholics suggest rounding up Muslims and isolating them…? C’mon.
It context of the encyclical was the various anarchy movements which were popular at that time in Europe. The encyclical itself was a direct response to the first meeting of the International Workingmen’s Association which the young Karl Marx attended.
The Vicar of Christ currently does reside on earth, and by the power of the Holy Spirit, he, along with the other Successors of the Apostles do indeed have the authority to decide what is true and what is false.
Catholics should take pride in the memory of Christendom in its glory.
Principles are not dictated by what is effective and what is ineffective. Rather, the objective principles must be firmly established and then the pastoral approaches honed to make these principles known in a less abrasive, charitable manner.
In American society, that is about the best we can do. But from an idealized perspective, we can speculate what type of government would best promote the Truth of Catholicism. (which is what I have been doing in this thread. I am fully aware that the principles I am suggesting are not realistically implementable in American society, but this does not mean I should abandon such principles all together!) And, once again, we can look to the past age of Christendom for the answer to that question.
Proselytizing is attempting to convert. Proclaiming the truth of Jesus Christ is not proselytizing.But…but…St. Francis said to preach the Gospel and if necessary use words.
Oh no…proclaim the Truth of Jesus Christ and His Church, the Catholic Church? We couldn’t do that…that would be proselytizing. Don’t you know Jesus sent out the apostles to mingle?
True, Pope Pius IX could not have been writing about religious liberty in the 21st century in 1864. But principles don’t change. Surely we can draw out maxims from this encyclical that can be applied to any situation regarding the liberty of one’s conscience and the role of the state in the regulation of personal liberties. Sure, this encyclical doesn’t address the particularities of our conversation, but I think the pope’s insights are useful here. And by no means is this the only place in Catholic Tradition where such wordage and the expression of such principles can be found.
Tons of Catholics don’t listen to The Church, why would non-catholics listen?
:clapping::bowdown:I’m not advocating doing any more than is already being done by the FBI, CIA, and other agencies through current methods, both publicized and unpublicized. I am just frustrated by the lack of reporting of Muslim jihadists by other Muslims. I can only assume that peaceful Muslims either condone the actions of the jihadists or are afraid to try to prevent or report them. Peaceful Muslims who put the welfare of society ahead of the goals of terrorists make good citizens even if they are not Christian. I just wish there were more such folks out there because I hardly ever hear of them.
As mentioned previously, there are current methods already in place to keep an eye on suspected jihadists and other criminals. It just makes common sense to restrict/limit more immigration from countries known to have a noticeable jihadist sympathizer population in order to not be overwhelmed by the sheer numbers being monitored and to allow those who are truly suspects to receive the attention that is warranted.What?
Your kinda proving my point. Rounding up any group of people and isolating them is repellent. Isn’t that what the government has been doing with abortion? Your talking about a few Catholics posting on the internet as compared to 50% of Catholics voting for a staunch pro abortion politician for president. You c’mon…
This is all fine and dandy on paper, but when you look into the history of the Church, it lead to a lot of corruption. Do we really want to return to a time when people joined the clergy since it would give them political power?
I understand the principle behind what these people are doing. I do not agree with their methodology.
The government made abortion legal, that doesn’t mean you HAVE to abort babies. Do you have any solid evidence that the government has rounded up women and forced abortions upon them? Or that they want to do this?
To be fair, I think a lot of Catholics vote for pro-abortion candidates because at the end of the day, Roe vs. Wade isn’t going to be overturned and many Catholics (myself included) find it had to support various Republican candidates that seem to have open disdain for the poor.
Yes, there were many good things that came from that time. My point was that society is not the way it was. We live in a different time with a different sort of society. People today are not going to accept the same approaches.
I agree. We have to stick to our principles and beliefs, but again, the overall approach of suggesting we deny rights to another religion that we expect for ourselves, in this time, in* this society*, is not only going to be met with scoffing but with disregard. It can’t be enforced, unless one plans on flipping the system on its head, but that’s a whole 'nother animal.
I guess we don’t disagree overall. Can there be an ideal government in this life? If there is, it probably won’t last. It’s a constant struggle in this world. Perhaps, we must go through a pattern with periods when Christians are persecuted such as in the early Church. I certainly hope not, and I don’t suggest we accept that passively either.
When we can build a Chapel in Saudi then I will support them building a Mosque in Texas