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dominikus28
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Doesn’t the 4th commandment say to observe the Sabbath, which is Saturday? Sunday is the Lord’s Day, but it isn’t the sabbath, so if we don’t obverse the Sabbath, isnt that against the 4th commandment?
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NHInsider
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After the Jewish authorities banned Christians from the synagogues, the Church transferred what had been the synagogue service to the First Day Eucharistic celebration (this is why our Mass splits into the Liturgy of the Word and the Liturgy of the Eucharist - ever wonder why there is a second “greeting” in the middle of Mass? Naturally the Sabbath obligation also moved to the First Day of the week - the day of the Resurrection. That’s why we keep the new Sabbath. Those who reject the authority of the Church sometimes also reject the Sunday Sabbath (that’s the fundamental argument of the Seventh Day Adventists).
Also, in the traditional numbering, the Fourth commandment is “Honor thy father and mother in the Lord.” Unless you’re a Protestant. . . .
Also, in the traditional numbering, the Fourth commandment is “Honor thy father and mother in the Lord.” Unless you’re a Protestant. . . .
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dominikus28
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Sorry 3rd commandment 
So basically, Sunday is the new Sabbath?
So basically, Sunday is the new Sabbath?
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NHInsider
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Yes.Sorry 3rd commandment
So basically, Sunday is the new Sabbath?
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PiousTemplar
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Is the Church allowed to do that? Simply ‘change’ the sabbath? If the Lord wanted Saturday to be the Sabbath, shouldn’t we be trying to make it that way?
No offenense intended.
No offenense intended.
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fbl9
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it was the jewish peoples that choose saturday not God Himself.
What did Christ say? That the sabbath was for man not God.
What did Christ say? That the sabbath was for man not God.
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Julian0404
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Read Matthew Chapter 16 wherein JESUS formed, established and set the protocol for HIS church. “…what you hold bound on earth will be bound in heaven, and what you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven…”
It was not a simple change. It was based upon JESUS rising from the dead on Sunday. There was nothing simple about JESUS passion, death and resurrection.
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davidv
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From the Catechism:
This suggests that your yes needs some amplification and explanation.
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Todd_Easton
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Exodus 20:8-11 and Deuteronomy 5:12-15 provide two reasons why the Jews were to remember, observe, and keep holy the Sabbath: 1) to rest one day a week in imitation of God’s rest on the seventh day of creation and 2) to remember the single most important event in Jewish history, the Saturday Exodus, when God delivered the Jews from their slavery in Egypt.
Christians maintain the one-day-a-week aspect of the commandment but have adapted the commandment to remember an historical event more important than the Saturday Exodus, namely the Sunday Resurrection, when Jesus Christ rose from the dead.
Christians maintain the one-day-a-week aspect of the commandment but have adapted the commandment to remember an historical event more important than the Saturday Exodus, namely the Sunday Resurrection, when Jesus Christ rose from the dead.
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Joe_Kelley
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Mark 2:27-28
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Ignatius
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So, you are really Catholic, right? The 4th commandment? Really?
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dominikus28
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Please, give me a break. I got confused. I looked quickly on wikipedia and looked at the wrong column. I apologise
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Bookcat
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Read under the 3rd commandment of the Catechism
vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P7O.HTM
and
vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/apost_exhortations/documents/hf_ben-xvi_exh_20070222_sacramentum-caritatis_en.html#The_eucharistic_form_of_the_christian_life
vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P7O.HTM
and
vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/apost_exhortations/documents/hf_ben-xvi_exh_20070222_sacramentum-caritatis_en.html#The_eucharistic_form_of_the_christian_life
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pablope
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From the Didache…
[SIGN]Chapter 14. Christian Assembly on the Lord’s Day. But every Lord’s day gather yourselves together, and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one who is at odds with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned. For this is that which was spoken by the Lord: “In every place and time offer to me a pure sacrifice; for I am a great King, says the Lord, and my name is wonderful among the nations.” [/SIGN]
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Crumpy
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There were only three days that required Jews to go to the Temple for worship, as explained in Exodus, as I recall.
The Sabbath was a day of rest and not even travel was permitted. So, the Catholic observance of a Sunday obligation goes beyond the observance of the Jewish Sabbath.
The emergence of synagogues is not precisely understood, even in Judaism. (synagogues and rabbis are not mentioned in the OT) And, so also even the practice of going to the synagogue on the sabbath is a man-made tradition.
we should not smoosh all these things together, when they are really separate. We can be revisionist about history and fool a lot of people. But, the truth is otherwise.
Judaism keeps the new testament around precisely to round out or fill in the gaps of their own history, such as the mention of synagogues in the NT and the use of the term rabbi. It’s in the NT, not the OT!! amazing, isn’t it?
So, personally, I don’t see any connection or have any sense of violation to observe the Sunday worship of the Mass. And, the Church has slid bad to allow a Saturday Mass of anticipation of Sunday, so every saturday-sabbath person can go to Church on Saturday. How convenient. In Jewish recking of time, a new day began when the sun set. So, the Church is not so fussy, and the Mass of anticipation is a matter of ordinary scheduling on Saturday, whether it’s 4 pm or 5 pm, etc. We can “slide” on the time, because we’re assured that the sun is setting someplace at every moment of the day. So, the obsessive-compulsive people can resume breathing again.
We have too much time on our hands to worry about all this stuff.
The Sabbath was a day of rest and not even travel was permitted. So, the Catholic observance of a Sunday obligation goes beyond the observance of the Jewish Sabbath.
The emergence of synagogues is not precisely understood, even in Judaism. (synagogues and rabbis are not mentioned in the OT) And, so also even the practice of going to the synagogue on the sabbath is a man-made tradition.
we should not smoosh all these things together, when they are really separate. We can be revisionist about history and fool a lot of people. But, the truth is otherwise.
Judaism keeps the new testament around precisely to round out or fill in the gaps of their own history, such as the mention of synagogues in the NT and the use of the term rabbi. It’s in the NT, not the OT!! amazing, isn’t it?
So, personally, I don’t see any connection or have any sense of violation to observe the Sunday worship of the Mass. And, the Church has slid bad to allow a Saturday Mass of anticipation of Sunday, so every saturday-sabbath person can go to Church on Saturday. How convenient. In Jewish recking of time, a new day began when the sun set. So, the Church is not so fussy, and the Mass of anticipation is a matter of ordinary scheduling on Saturday, whether it’s 4 pm or 5 pm, etc. We can “slide” on the time, because we’re assured that the sun is setting someplace at every moment of the day. So, the obsessive-compulsive people can resume breathing again.
We have too much time on our hands to worry about all this stuff.
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Catholic_Dude
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Not really.
The Sabbath was a legal “day of rest” under the Mosaic Law, with various rules and regulations, and was binding only on the Jews. But when the Mosaic Law was abolished when Christ instituted a New Covenant, all of the Mosaic rules and laws ceased having any authority.
Sunday is the Christian day of worship because Jesus Resurrected on Sunday, it has nothing to do with the Old Testament Sabbath. Of course, Christians have looked to the OT for principles of how to behave on Sunday (e.g. keep it holy, no unnecessary servile work), which is why the 3rd/4th Commandment is often quoted.
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NHInsider
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Well of course, but I’d gone into some detail in the preceding post. Your citations from the catechism are, of course, spot on.
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