4th of july mass! Liturgical dancers

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Here is what our beloved Cardinal Arinze says about Dancers in the address he was to give around the time Pope John Paul died. The speech was never given from what I understand, but the text was put out. This is from Adoremus Bulletin.

**Liturgical Norms and Liturgical Piety
**“The people of God have the right that the liturgy be celebrated as the Church wants it”.

8. Dance in the Liturgy
Some people want to introduce dance into the sacred liturgy. The Latin Rite liturgy has not had any such practice. We have therefore to ask those who want to bring in the dance to state their case.

If they say that the reason is to make the Mass interesting, the answer is what we have just considered. We come to Mass to worship God, not to see a spectacle. We have the parish hall and the theater for shows.

Others say they welcome some dance in order to express fully our prayer, since we are body and soul. The answer is that the liturgy indeed appreciates bodily postures and gestures and has carefully incorporated many of them, such as standing, kneeling, genuflecting, singing, and giving a sign of peace. But the Latin Rite has not included the dance.

It is not easy for dancers not to draw attention to themselves. Granted that some very refined dances in some cultures can help to elevate the mind, is it not true that for many people dances are a distraction rather than a help to prayer?

Dances easily appeal to the senses and tend to call for approval, enjoyment, a desire for a repetition, and a rewarding of the performers with the applause of the audience. Is this what we come to Mass to experience? Have we no theaters and parish halls, presuming that the dance in question is acceptable, which cannot be said of them all?

Is it true that in many parts of Africa and Asia there may be a cultural habit of graceful body movement which, with due study and approval of the local Church, may go down well within a liturgical celebration. The Ethiopian rite has known graceful rhythmical movements and the procession for the Gospel. The Roman Rite Mass approved for the Democratic Republic of the Congo has similar entry movements.

But this is very different from what the ordinary person in Europe or North America thinks of when the concept of dance is evoked. Can we blame people who associate dance with Saturday evening, ballroom, theater or simply, innocent enjoyment? The liturgical books approved by the bishops and the Holy See for Europe and North America understandably do not authorize the importation of dance into church, let alone the celebration of the Eucharistic Sacrifice. (see the article in the official bulletin of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments: Notitiae 106-107, June-July 1975, pp. 202-205. Editor’s note: this article is available on the Adoremus web site at www.adoremus.org/Dance.html)
 
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WanderAimlessly:
This is the type of Mass I would walk out on.

PF
You and me both. I would walk out and walk or run (or drive really fast) to the Bishops office to lodge a complaint.

(actually being the 4th the Bishops office would be closed but I would be there really early on the 5th)
 
tom.wineman said:
When did they shoot off the fireworks 🙂

The Lord will handle that when the pastor receives his judgment.

unless…

he is introduced to a penital “roman” candle soon…
 
Good grief. Tell me you accidentally walked into an Episcopal church and because they called it mass you thought you were in a Catholic church! Is your parish priest usually so avante garde? Our parish sang all three verses of the Star Spangled Banner and of course we always have prayers for our troops. But nothing like ‘cheerleaders’ or a priest in Uncle Sam costume. Mercy!

Lisa N
 
I’ve heard of abuse, but liturgical abuse paraded as patriotism??? This is worse than Halloween Mass.

So, did the lector do a Jay Leno impersonation?

Did the liturgical dancers wear tap shoes?

Did Father’s red, white and blue vestments slip off to reveal an Uncle Sam suit?

There are many lovely, patriotic hymns, including (my favorite) Eternal Father, Strong to Save- which also happens to be the Navy Hymn. There’s the Battle Hymn of the Republic. There’s God Bless America. You’re a Grand Old Flag? George M. Cohan? Why not just do all of Little Johnny Jones and forget the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass?

Run, do not walk, to the chancery tomorrow.
 
I’m in Canada, so we didn’t celebrate the 4th of July, but for our Canada Day mass on July 1, this is what our parish did:

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…since many of us aren’t very happy with the recent decisions made by our government, for me attending our mass and procession instead of the local Canada Day parade was very significant of my real ‘citizenship’.

Jennifer http://forum.catholic.com/images/smilies/smile.gif
 
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mgy100:
Today at the special July 4th mass, there were women dressed in short skirts, independence day theme, like Uncle Sam. The danced the offertory up to the priest, who was wearing a red-white-blue vestment.
The music was all Your a grand ol’flag, etc…
The processional hymn was the National Anthem.
Pretty cool, but I didn’t like our female state representitive giving the homily.
That is really sad. It makes me appreciate my parish more!

God Bless,
Gary
 
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Theodora:
Our parish had a Baptist minister and part of his congregation join us in the Liturgy of the Holy Mass for our 4th of July celebration.

The Baptist members were mainly in the choir. Because of this the choir sounded more “full bodied” and terrific.

The Baptist minister was dressed in a black gown with a crimson-red stole around his neck and walked in alongside the lector behind a group of boyscouts from our parish.

Behind these two groups were our Pastor and Associate Pastor. Our Pastor’s vestment was white with a red, wide stripe running from the neckline to the hemline. The Associate Pastor was dressed in white only.

There were 4 altar servers dressed in black and white: 2 boys and 2 girls. During the entire Mass, when standing next to the altar, they had their hands folded, like how sometimes angels are depicted, as if in prayer.

The Baptist minister read the second Epistle. He and the lector were seated next to each other on the altar podium. Before the consecration, the lector returned to his pew, but the Baptist minister remained in his chair. At consecration, he got off his chair and knelt down till the start of the distribution of Holy Communion. At the consecration one of the servers rang the bell. Gold vessels were used for the distribution of the Eucharist.

Just before the final blessing, the Baptist minister gave his sermon on Liberty and how it originates with God. His talk was intertwined with many bible quotations on the subject of the different kinds of Liberty. He said he was honored and extremely glad to have been invited to join our parish in our 4th of July celebration.

Then came the final blessing and as the procession exited the church building, all sang God Bless America, in its entirety.
It sounds like everything was done within the Rubrics. And I am most touched by the reverence shown by all. Perhaps the minister should have taken a seat in the pew, but his show of reverence had to have a compelling effect. Thank you for sharing.
 
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jms:
I’m in Canada, so we didn’t celebrate the 4th of July, but for our Canada Day mass on July 1, this is what our parish did:

(Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.)

…since many of us aren’t very happy with the recent decisions made by our government, for me attending our mass and procession instead of the local Canada Day parade was very significant of my real ‘citizenship’.

Jennifer http://forum.catholic.com/images/smilies/smile.gif
Now this is my kind of celebration!!! God Bless all of you!
 
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jms:
I’m in Canada, so we didn’t celebrate the 4th of July, but for our Canada Day mass on July 1, this is what our parish did:

(Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.)

…since many of us aren’t very happy with the recent decisions made by our government, for me attending our mass and procession instead of the local Canada Day parade was very significant of my real ‘citizenship’.

Jennifer http://forum.catholic.com/images/smilies/smile.gif
I have seen processions like this before. The last one was at the Divine Mercy Sunday celebration at Our Lady of Czestochowa in Doylestown, PA, USA. During the procession around the shrine, the rosary was said in 5 different languages.

PF
 
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MrS:
It sounds like everything was done within the Rubrics. And I am most touched by the reverence shown by all. Perhaps the minister should have taken a seat in the pew, but his show of reverence had to have a compelling effect. Thank you for sharing.
I agree. If a protestant (the minister) can “get it”, and he seems to, why can’t most Catholics?
 
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