5:30 Pushing it?

[z_0101]

I understand, but my point was that if it’s too early for the vigil, you will hear Saturday’s readings. If you hear Sunday’s readings, it’s a vigil.

so are you simply using semantics to differentiate the two
or
are you trying to say that the text matters in regards to the fulfillment of the Sunday obligation?

In the former case, I have no opinion.
In the later case, Canon Law, No. 1248.1 - which covers this, in simple terms, says that so long as the other legal requirements (state of grace, time, etc…) are fulfilled, then assisting in the evening Mass would fulfil the Sunday obligation, regardless of the text. Refer to the EWTN link in my prior post, and perhaps this article: canonlaw.info/2008/11/time-period-for-fulfilling-sunday.html

 

[Vico]

I understand, but my point was that if it’s too early for the vigil, you will hear Saturday’s readings. If you hear Sunday’s readings, it’s a vigil.

That is clever, yet I know of a 4PM Saturday funeral Mass. Funeral masses have different readings than the Sunday readings. The funeral, wedding, or ordination Mass will fulfill the Sunday obligation when it is withing the proper time on Saturday evening.

 

[AnnieHT]

I went to a 2pm Vigil Mass at the cathedral in Las Vegas last year.

 

[z_0101]

I went to a 2pm Vigil Mass at the cathedral in Las Vegas last year.

If the Bishop said it fulfilled the Sunday obligation, that may very well have been within his privilege to do so; however, 2pm doesn’t fit the usual norms as mention in the earlier posts.

 

[porthos11]

Now, any Mass on Saturday afternoon at 4:00 or later fulfills the Sunday obligation as long as it is celebrated the same way as that weekend’s Sunday Mass.

doesn’t even have to be celebrated the same was as Sunday’s. It can be a wedding Mass, a Funeral Mass, even the Mass of Saturday (e.g. in the Extraordinary Form, or, for whatever reason, the Ordinary Form Mass of Saturday), or an Eastern Divine Liturgy. All it needs to be is Mass. Attend that in the evening, and one fulfills his obligation.

 

[Vico]

If the Bishop said it fulfilled the Sunday obligation, that may very well have been within his privilege to do so; however, 2pm doesn’t fit the usual norms as mention in the earlier posts.

The Canon Law: Letter & Spirit, Canon Law Society of Great Britain and Ireland, by Gerard Sheehy and Francis G. Morrisey, et. al., 1995, 702:What is ‘the evening of the previous day’? Despite the view of some commentators that this should be interpreted as beginning only at 1400 hours (2 pm) on that day, it is the firm view of this commentary that the evening of the previous day begins at midday (12 noon) on that day itself. In some dioceses there is a local regulation to the effect that the so-called vigil or anticipated Mass may not be celebrated before, say, 5 pm or 6 pm: this is normally for pastoral reasons, e.g. to facilitate weddings or funerals in the parish and other churches. Those regulations do not in any way concern the time prescribed for fulfilling the obligation to assist at Mass: thus, e.g., if . . . a person were to attend a nuptial Mass in the early afternoon on a Saturday, that person would thereby have fulfilled the obligation.