6 months on, still feeling homosexual

[Maxply]

So much of the homosexual movement is about “getting out of the closet”, and to me, this just indicates how much homosexuals are attached to their homosexual activity. Suggests an addictive behavior or compulsion.

I do think disorder’s the correct term. I know the more I drink alcohol, the more I like it, even though it’s not good for me and can cause ruin.

Another thing: homosexuals often feel that if you condemn homosexual actions you are implicitly comdemning them in their entire personhood. For me, at least, this ain’t the case. On my part, I dislike the social engineering/propaganda “normalization” of abnormal actions. The heavy-handed, Stalinistic, overt oppression of real dissent on the issue; many times opposing opinions get shut down, shouted down, eliminated from publication or public view.

 

[goofyjim]

Please state where I disagree with the church…I was citing scripture showing that if you look at someone with lust it is adultry…

You consider Lust a condition??

The Church has stated that SSA is disordered but not sinful.

 

[emily47017]

a general interest in members of the same sex (or the other sex, for that matter) doesn’t constitute lust. are you guilty of lust because you find women attractive? the desire is not sinful, as long as you don’t indulge the desire through fantasy (lust) or activity (fornication).

same sex attraction wasn’t a part of god’s original plan, but not everything that came about after the fall is necessarily sinful. think of it as an illness, or a birth defect, or just a difference. SSA comes on a spectrum; some people will find it harder to live chastely than others, but because their desires are stronger doesn’t mean they are inherantly more sinful.

when we stick up for same sex attracted people because they’re children of god, brothers in christ, suffering beings in need of comfort, and immortal souls worthy of deep respect, that doesn’t make us “propagandists”. it makes us compassionate.

 

[Renton405]

Actually it says look at a woman with lust

Woman ; the greek word gynē :

1. a woman of any age, whether a virgin, or married, or a widow
2. a wife
   
   a) of a betrothed woman

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There are better scriptures that deal with lust in general.

Joseph

Exactly, so if you look at a man with lust its probably 10 times worse…

 

[Renton405]

The Church has stated that SSA is disordered but not sinful.

Please cite where the church says that in the Catechism…

Are you saying SSA is a mental illness??

What deos SSA mean anyway?? homosexual impulses?(the abbreviations)

Either way homosexual impulses lead to Lust, or vice versa… and Lust is one of the seven deadly sins

 

[Renton405]

a general interest in members of the same sex (or the other sex, for that matter) doesn’t constitute lust. are you guilty of lust because you find women attractive? the desire is not sinful, as long as you don’t indulge the desire through fantasy (lust) or activity (fornication).

same sex attraction wasn’t a part of god’s original plan, but not everything that came about after the fall is necessarily sinful. think of it as an illness, or a birth defect, or just a difference. SSA comes on a spectrum; some people will find it harder to live chastely than others, but because their desires are stronger doesn’t mean they are inherantly more sinful.

when we stick up for same sex attracted people because they’re children of god, brothers in christ, suffering beings in need of comfort, and immortal souls worthy of deep respect, that doesn’t make us “propagandists”. it makes us compassionate.

I disagree… When you look at a man or woman with urge and craving you are in Lust…The person is responsible for it…

Here is a definition for Lust:

Lust- is any intense desire or craving for self gratification

 

[emily47017]

Please cite where the church says that in the Catechism…

too easy.

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Chastity and homosexuality

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Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

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The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

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Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

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for further elucidation, you can visit www.couragerc.org/FAQs.html

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It is psychologically understandable that certain people struggle with homosexual attractions. The Church recognizes this and does not condemn people for simply having these attractions; however, the Church also teaches that homosexual acts are always immoral, and therefore, one must also accept that the inclination to engage in such acts is, philosophically speaking, objectively disordered.

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[Renton405]

too easy.

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Chastity and homosexuality

2357
Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358
The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359
Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

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for further elucidation, you can visit www.couragerc.org/FAQs.html

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It is psychologically understandable that certain people struggle with homosexual attractions. The Church recognizes this and does not condemn people for simply having these attractions; however, the Church also teaches that homosexual acts are always immoral, and therefore, one must also accept that the inclination to engage in such acts is, philosophically speaking, objectively disordered.

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Yes I know this… but I think that the other poster was trying to say was that since its a disorder then it is not sin… The church says it does not condem them, but it dosen’t say whether those urges are actual sins themselves… I believe they are because the urges are connected to Lust

 

[davidv]

Yes I know this… but I think that the other poster was trying to say was that since its a disorder then it is not sin… The church says it does not condem them, but it dosen’t say whether those urges are actual sins themselves… I believe they are because the urges are connected to Lust

Then your position differs from the teaching of the Church. Temptations (“urges”) are not sin. Only when we give in to these temptation do they become sinful.

 

[Renton405]

Then your position differs from the teaching of the Church. Temptations (“urges”) are not sin. Only when we give in to these temptation do they become sinful.

Lust is one of the seven deadly sins… temptations is misleading…Remember what Christ said about commiting adultry in his heart…

 

[MariaGorettiGrl]

But lust isn’t just looking at someone and feeling attracted to them. That’s a natural feeling that God gave us. In some cases, for reasons not yet clear, people feel that attraction for someone of the same sex. If it isn’t on purpose, you can’t be held responsible. So attraction isn’t a sin.

Lust is more than an attraction. It’s wanting the person’s body and little more. It goes beyond thinking, “Man, I’d love to kiss those lips!” It’s picturing a person naked or having sex with them. It’s forgetting that that person is a child of God and using the person for your personal pleasure.

It is a fine line between attraction and lust, but there is a dividing line.

The only difference with same sex attraction is that once the initial thought strikes, the person needs to pray and end the thoughts ASAP. If you allow the thoughts of desire to continue, you are only encouraging the homosexual feelings and that becomes a sin.

There are people who have homosexual tendencies who live chaste lives for God. This is a great cross to bear and these people are quite holy for fighting this battle!

 

[johnlal]

Please don’t let this ruin your life. At 16 years old, you may think that sex is the primary force in your life. In your message, you mention that you think your urges will “ruin your life”. It may seem that way. At 16 years of age the hormones in your body are overwhelming you. At that age, sex can be an obsession. Please take comfort in the fact that things will level out as you get older. You will realize that while sex is an important part of life, it is not as overwhelming as you feel it is now. In the meantime, you need to get some counseling or some psychiatric help to get you through these feelings of guilt and dread. At 16 you need to get through school, prepare for adult life, and grow into a strong, healthy adult. Obsessions get in the way of the big picture.

 

[Renton405]

But lust isn’t just looking at someone and feeling attracted to them. That’s a natural feeling that God gave us. In some cases, for reasons not yet clear, people feel that attraction for someone of the same sex. If it isn’t on purpose, you can’t be held responsible. So attraction isn’t a sin.

Lust is more than an attraction. It’s wanting the person’s body and little more. It goes beyond thinking, “Man, I’d love to kiss those lips!” It’s picturing a person naked or having sex with them. It’s forgetting that that person is a child of God and using the person for your personal pleasure.

It is a fine line between attraction and lust, but there is a dividing line.

The only difference with same sex attraction is that once the initial thought strikes, the person needs to pray and end the thoughts ASAP. If you allow the thoughts of desire to continue, you are only encouraging the homosexual feelings and that becomes a sin.

There are people who have homosexual tendencies who live chaste lives for God. This is a great cross to bear and these people are quite holy for fighting this battle!

. Rarely do homosexuals just look at another guy without it turning to sexual lust. Homosexuality is mainly a lustful urge, because there is nothing else that benefits from it(children, family, marriage)…I have some friends that have homosexual friends, and you wouldn’t believe the things they say when their comfortable with their friends and don’t have to worry about offending anyone… Like you said there is a line to pass, but based on what Ive seen with my own eyes it is passed probably 99% of the time…

You don’t think when a man looks at another man and says “Man id love to kiss those lips” that wouldn’t be a form of lust?? I have a feeling if I asked my priest this he would say its a sin…

 

[Commentator]

. Rarely do homosexuals just look at another guy without it turning to sexual lust. Homosexuality is mainly a lustful urge, because there is nothing else that benefits from it(children, family, marriage)…I have some friends that have homosexual friends, and you wouldn’t believe the things they say when their comfortable with their friends and don’t have to worry about offending anyone… Like you said there is a line to pass, but based on what Ive seen with my own eyes it is passed probably 99% of the time…

You don’t think when a man looks at another man and says “Man id love to kiss those lips” that wouldn’t be a form of lust?? I have a feeling if I asked my priest this he would say its a sin…

Renton,

With all do respect, I must say that you are sadly ignorant on the issue of homosexuality. Since you are not a homosexual (and even if you were), I would be careful about making sweeping statements such as the ones above. The truth is that the homosexual orientation is not simply a desire to have sex. Imagine everything a man might feel toward a woman and invert it - that is a homosexual orientation. It’s not purely a physical attraction. It’s also not OK to pull the “a friend of a friend told me” card. If you are going to make such sweeping statements, you need better evidence than that. You might also be surprised at what heterosexual men will say when they think no one will judge them…

I understand that people can disagree about the morality of homosexual acts without attacking homosexuals as people, but you’re beginning to cross that line.

Peace,

Commentator

 

[blessedtoo]

With all do respect, I must say that you are sadly ignorant on the issue of homosexuality.

Perhaps, but his statements are quite accurate.

The truth is that the homosexual orientation is not simply a desire to have sex.

While it may be true that some homosexuals are seeking loving committed relationships, the fact is that it is primarily sex which is the end unto itself. Homosexuals can’t procreate so the natural biological imperative of the sex act is not present.

Imagine everything a man might feel toward a woman and invert it - that is a homosexual orientation.

I think you are romanticizing the homosexual inclination. It is impossible to equate what a man feels for a woman to what two men may feel toward eachother. A man attracted to a woman is seeing in her all the aspects of her feminity which compliment his masculinity. He is, probably unconsciously at first, seeing her as a potential spouse and mother to his children. He is seeing her as the precious embodiment of all that he is not. These things are absent in the homosexual inclination.

If you are going to make such sweeping statements, you need better evidence than that.

As someone who has first hand experience, I can easily make such sweeping statements. The vast majority of active homosexuals are extremely promiscuous, unwilling to maintain monogamy, and extremely narcissitic. And trust me, that does not come from a “friend of a friend”.

You might also be surprised at what heterosexual men will say when they think no one will judge them…

And they can be disgusting too.

I understand that people can disagree about the morality of homosexual acts without attacking homosexuals as people, but you’re beginning to cross that line.

No one is attacking. As usual, whenever one challenges the culture’s white-washed version of the homosexual lifestyle, one can be certain they will be accused of attacking. Facts are what they are. So is personal testimony. You can find many who will witness to the facts right here on CAF.

 

[emily47017]

As someone who has first hand experience, I can easily make such sweeping statements. The vast majority of active homosexuals are extremely promiscuous, unwilling to maintain monogamy, and extremely narcissitic. And trust me, that does not come from a “friend of a friend”.

jeez, who are these people you’ve been hanging out with? i’ve known dozens upon dozens of people along the SSA spectrum, many of whom are currently very good friends, and i can count on one hand the number i could feel justified characterizing in this way.

 

[blessedtoo]

jeez, who are these people you’ve been hanging out with? i’ve known dozens upon dozens of people along the SSA spectrum, many of whom are currently very good friends, and i can count on one hand the number i could feel justified characterizing in this way.

Yes, I was very good friends with two “couples” who I thought I knew quite well. Eight years into our friendship I was told that both couples “invite tricks” from the park or from internet sites to join them for sex. When I asked my friend why he had kept this a secret for so long he told me he didn’t want me to think his relationship was less meaningful or valid than one that holds monogamy as it’s cornerstone. I discovered over the years that this is the norm for homosexual “couples”. Even if the infidelity is not manifesting as a “trio”, most couples have a tacit understanding that outside sexual encounters will occur.

Things are not always as they appear.

 

[sosayi1960]

Help you with what exactly? Just curious is all…

SSA Struggles. I’m convinced God has abandoned me.

 

[Nepenthe]

Now that cannot be so, as I understand matters of faith and Christianity, sosayi1960.

Not sure just what the precise struggle is…are you in love with one person of your own sex? Is it more generalized within the same sex? Maybe you simply feel attracted to almost everyone, of all sexes and sorts? Is it love, lust, plain old attraction (with neither love nor lust being the defining character)? And how about you? Are you younger (as in too young to really have much history and self-definition just yet), older (so is this a surprise to you)? I am open to PMs, and though maybe I can’t give ‘advice’ as such, I am a friendly and respectful ear.

I have some idea how hard living and loving within a faith can be, and don’t think for a minute it is easier for those who are not, if they have minds and hearts.

 

[Kevin42]

SSA Struggles. I’m convinced God has abandoned me.

Why exactly do you feel this way?