7/7/07 Tell us your experience - 5 years of Summorum Pontificum

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07.07.07 - Tell us: 5 years of Summorum Pontificum

Tell us if and how the motu proprio Summorum Pontificum, of Pope Benedict XVI, has been applied in your diocese and changed your Catholic life.

 
“There’s no question that there remains in certain places a resistance to what the Holy Father has asked and that’s sad . It’s sometimes even an expression of disagreement with the holy father’s discipline…… and even an expression this is harmful for the Church, but I think in general that is more and more overcome.” Cardinal Burke Interview.
 
In my diocese? As far as I can tell, zero demand for the EF Mass. There’s a new SSPX chapel though in the diocese, and in the next diocese over (where I sing in a schola), there are sedevacantists.

But here, nothing. Those that want something more “traditional” go to the OF Mass at the local Benedictine monastery. It uses Gregorian chant for the Propers and Ordinary and it is beautifully done.
 
OraLabora said:
In my diocese? As far as I can tell, zero demand for the EF Mass. There’s a new SSPX chapel though in the diocese, and in the next diocese over (where I sing in a schola), there are sedevacantists.

But here, nothing. Those that want something more “traditional” go to the OF Mass at the local Benedictine monastery. It uses Gregorian chant for the Propers and Ordinary and it is beautifully done.
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Who wouldn’t attend a mass where there are Benedictine’s chanting? 🙂
 
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The video begins with a slide show for the first minute, then gets into the actual blessing at 1:09 with Bishop Olmsted.

This is taken from the FSSP mission in Phoenix

To answer the OP

1.) Praying with the senses
2.) Developing Catholic Identity
3.) Greater appreciation/understand for the OF
4.) Finding new ways to try to grow in holiness
 
As I posted on Rorate Caeli:

Archdiocese of Birmingham, UK

At my local Parish there is a weekly Low Mass, and two Annual Solemn High Masses (the Patronal Feast of Ss John Fisher and Thomas Moore, and a Solemn High Requiem Mass on Remembrance Sunday on or around 11/11) which are all well attended.

At the Birmingham Oratory there is a weekly Solemn High Mass as the principal Mass on Sundays, as well as a Solemn High Mass or Low Mass for all Holy Days of Obligation (according to the 1962 calender, no feasts transferred to nearest Sunday) or specific feasts (such as the Epiphany, Christmas, Corpus Christi, Ash Wednesday etc) which is extremely well attended.

There are also other weekly/monthly Low Masses throughout the Diocese, with a very active community mainly consisting of 16-35 year olds with a small section being of the 60+ age bracket.

All in all I think it is going well in the Archdiocese!
 
can’t think of any specific examples in my own life, but I think we are seeing a move back to a more reverent mass with Ben as Pope.
 
Australia is a very secular country and t knowledge of the authentic Faith and the meaning of the Sacrifice of the Mass has just disappeared from the land although there is much Catholicism Lite courtesy of our Catholic in Name only schools. Therefore there hasn’t been much call for the EF form of the Mass, at least in my corner of Oz. I will happily be corrected on this.

There is a parish which is an Extraordinary Form parish which has recently introduced one Ordinary Form Mass; I don’t think they have many people attending the Extraordinary Form on a regular basis. The Cathedral says a monthly Extraordinary Form Mass and there may be other EA Masses but I am not aware of them.
 
A total of nineteen Churches celebrate the EF in the Archdiocese of Westminster and the Archdiocese of Southwark. However, only two Churches in the former and three in the latter regularly celebrate EF Mass on Sundays. Oddly, Corpus Christi which is supposedly the spiritual home of the Latin Mass Society, is one of the fourteen which does not regularly celebrate the EF on Sundays.
 
OraLabora said:
In my diocese? As far as I can tell, zero demand for the EF Mass. There’s a new SSPX chapel though in the diocese, and in the next diocese over (where I sing in a schola), there are sedevacantists.

But here, nothing. Those that want something more “traditional” go to the OF Mass at the local Benedictine monastery. It uses Gregorian chant for the Propers and Ordinary and it is beautifully done.
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We are fortunate to have had Latin Mass at several parishes in our diocese for years before the Motu. Our bishop (recently retired) has always supported the Latin Mass and encouraged it in the parishes. When there is sufficient demand, it happens. There is not a great deal of demand, but those who want it can find it.

As far as I know, we have no SSPX or sedevacantists. Our bishop drove them out whenever they attempted to gain a toehold. My husband and I became Catholic at about the same time he was in the process of driving out a sedevacantist group, and this process was actually covered with fairness by the secular news–pretty interesting! I felt like our bishop was a true shepherd, protecting us, his sheep, from the wolves.

I’m not sure what our new bishop will do, but I’m guessing he will continue the stern practices of his predecessor.
 
I’m grateful I moved from my previous diocese where there still is no diocesan EF mass. The very fact that there exists a thriving SSPX chapel proves there is demand.
 
OraLabora said:
In my diocese? As far as I can tell, zero demand for the EF Mass. There’s a new SSPX chapel though in the diocese, and in the next diocese over (where I sing in a schola), there are sedevacantists.

But here, nothing. Those that want something more “traditional” go to the OF Mass at the local Benedictine monastery. It uses Gregorian chant for the Propers and Ordinary and it is beautifully done.
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How can you claim there is no demand where clearly people are attending the EF?
 
Cider said:
The very fact that there exists a thriving SSPX chapel proves there is demand.
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Not necessarily. This would be to assume that it is the TLM that attracts people to the chapel. I noted on FE that some would ask for a location of SSPX chapel during travel, not the TLM.

My diocese also offers the extraordinary form at Annunciation and the FSSP will be starting a new parish dedicated solely to this form. None of this will have any effect on me directly, other than renew my support of the Cardinal who maintains a dedication to following the directives of the Holy Father. He has done a great job since he came here.
 
OraLabora said:
In my diocese? As far as I can tell, zero demand for the EF Mass. There’s a new SSPX chapel though in the diocese, and in the next diocese over (where I sing in a schola), there are sedevacantists.

But here, nothing. Those that want something more “traditional” go to the OF Mass at the local Benedictine monastery. It uses Gregorian chant for the Propers and Ordinary and it is beautifully done.
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Is the Usus Antiquior no longer offered at Notre-Dame de la Garde? :confused:
 
Living in the Archdiocese of Chicago, I’m as close to spoiled as you can get, since throughout the year I attend TLM’s at 4 different parishes, however I’m aware of the fact that in many places it is a major difficulty for people, and that really needs to change.
 
malphono said:
Is the Usus Antiquior no longer offered at Notre-Dame de la Garde? :confused:
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That’s not in my diocese. It’s a big province, there are 25 dioceses in total.
Cider said:
How can you claim there is no demand where clearly people are attending the EF?
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Both chapels are so tiny as to be insignificant when compared to the total Catholic population. The SSPX I think are here for their convenience mostly; they got a good deal on a former monastery and established it as their priory in Quebec. Also my mistake, the “sedevacantists” in Sherbrooke are not, they are SSPX where they have a very small chapel.

Vatican II was very popular in Quebec. With all that implies, both good and bad.

Note: I do see some demand for Catholic traditions such as chant. I also see a lot of hostility to any amount of Latin. But so far not much demand for the EF Mass, and I’ll specify in my largely rural diocese. No doubt in larger urban areas (Montreal, Quebec City) there may be enough of a nucleus to support an EF Mass. Not in my diocese, where priests are spread very thin and have their hands full trying to just provide OF Masses; they often have to drive from one church to another on Sundays with very little time margin.
 
OraLabora said:
In my diocese? As far as I can tell, zero demand for the EF Mass. There’s a new SSPX chapel though in the diocese, and in the next diocese over (where I sing in a schola), there are sedevacantists.
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The presense of SSPX chapels or attempts to build SSPX chapels are not indications that there is zero demand for the EF. But after 40 years of suppression and hostility, I wouldn’'t expect a sudden interest in the Latin Mass or Latin, for that matter.
 
malphono said:
Isn’t Verdun part of the Archdiocese of Montréal? IIRC, it’s just beyond Ile des Soeurs. :confused:
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That’s still not my diocese 😉

I guess I should be more specific. Even though my profile says “Montreal”, I actually live 100 km south-east of Montreal; I don’t like to be too specific on the Internet. There’s another diocese between me and the Archdiocese of Montreal. I’m in the diocese of St-Hyacinthe. It’s a mostly rural, French-Canadian diocese with a small enclave of Anglophone Catholics near where I live; there’s one English Mass in my area. I rarely go because I couldn’t even recite the Lord’s Prayer in English to save myself. I grew up in French in a French-language parish.

Latin has very little traction around here; most folks who like to hear it once in a while go to the Benedictine Abbey in St-Benoît-du-lac, a 35 min. drive for me, about an hour and a half from Montreal if the traffic’s good. It’s OF but really, experiencing does lessen the urge for the EF. There’s also a monastery of Benedictine nuns just north of Montreal that use Latin for their liturgy (OF).
 
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