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horselvr
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Mortal sins can be forgiven. What about the 7 deadly sins? And if they can be forgiven why are they called deadly sins. I guess I’m wondering what the difference is. Thanks.
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brad90956
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Yes, the 7 Deadly sins can be forgiven.Mortal sins can be forgiven. What about the 7 deadly sins? And if they can be forgiven why are they called deadly sins. I guess I’m wondering what the difference is. Thanks.
The 7 Deadly sins, or to put it a better way, the 7 Capital sins can involve grave matter for mortal sins, but that does not mean they always equal mortal sins.
Think of them more like vices. They are called “capital” because they can produce or lead up to other sins or vices that can lead you to evil.
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Bookcat
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Yes - there is not sin that the Church cannot forgive (if there is repentance).
A note about the Seven Deadly Sins from a previous post of mine.
The Seven Deadly sins or perhaps better Capital sins – can yes involve grave matter for mortal sins. (and of course there are many things that are grave matter…not just seven…I note for some readers)
But that does *not *mean that they (or sins that fall in those categories) are necessarily grave matter. Many admit rather of parvity of matter (light matter).
And yes I am referring to the matter involved – not just to say a lack of full knowledge or deliberate consent for mortal sin --but to a light matter for venial sin.
The term “deadly” --often confuses persons.
Such is simply not the case that deadly sins/capital sins = grave matter .
For example --the chief of them is Pride. Pride yes can be grave matter --like a person says I do not need God. But often in the life of say a Christian it is venial matter (sinning in pride in other ways…)
Anger can be grave matter – like for example - one is deliberately angry -seeking to say seriously harm someone.
Or seriously wounding charity or justice or the person *deliberately *flies into a rage that it can be said they lost their reason…etc
But often it can be venial in life. One gets a little angry that something did not go the way one wanted…etc
or take gluttony – individual acts of such by way of intemperance are often venial in nature.
Though for example one can have grave matter --for example getting drunk where one looses ones reason…etc.
So no it is not a simple: Deadly sins -Capital sins = grave matter (for mortal sin).
They are called Capital cause they are the “head” capitus of many other sins that they engender…(and deadly cause yes the seven can be deadly…)
But the term used more so today is capital sins.
Catechism:
1866 Vices can be classified according to the virtues they oppose, or also be linked to the capital sins which Christian experience has distinguished, following St. John Cassian and St. Gregory the Great. They are called “capital” because they engender other sins, other vices. They are pride, avarice, envy, wrath, lust, gluttony, and sloth or acedia.
scborromeo.org/ccc/ccc_toc.htm
Vices are the opposite of virtues. They are perverse habits which darken the conscience and incline one to evil. The vices can be linked to the seven, so-called, capital sins which are: pride, avarice, envy, anger, lust, gluttony, and sloth or acedia.
vatican.va/archive/compendium_ccc/documents/archive_2005_compendium-ccc_en.html
Of course sins like fornication, lusting after some woman, adultery etc do not admit of parvity of matter.
A note about the Seven Deadly Sins from a previous post of mine.
The Seven Deadly sins or perhaps better Capital sins – can yes involve grave matter for mortal sins. (and of course there are many things that are grave matter…not just seven…I note for some readers)
But that does *not *mean that they (or sins that fall in those categories) are necessarily grave matter. Many admit rather of parvity of matter (light matter).
And yes I am referring to the matter involved – not just to say a lack of full knowledge or deliberate consent for mortal sin --but to a light matter for venial sin.
The term “deadly” --often confuses persons.
Such is simply not the case that deadly sins/capital sins = grave matter .
For example --the chief of them is Pride. Pride yes can be grave matter --like a person says I do not need God. But often in the life of say a Christian it is venial matter (sinning in pride in other ways…)
Anger can be grave matter – like for example - one is deliberately angry -seeking to say seriously harm someone.
Or seriously wounding charity or justice or the person *deliberately *flies into a rage that it can be said they lost their reason…etc
But often it can be venial in life. One gets a little angry that something did not go the way one wanted…etc
or take gluttony – individual acts of such by way of intemperance are often venial in nature.
Though for example one can have grave matter --for example getting drunk where one looses ones reason…etc.
So no it is not a simple: Deadly sins -Capital sins = grave matter (for mortal sin).
They are called Capital cause they are the “head” capitus of many other sins that they engender…(and deadly cause yes the seven can be deadly…)
But the term used more so today is capital sins.
Catechism:
1866 Vices can be classified according to the virtues they oppose, or also be linked to the capital sins which Christian experience has distinguished, following St. John Cassian and St. Gregory the Great. They are called “capital” because they engender other sins, other vices. They are pride, avarice, envy, wrath, lust, gluttony, and sloth or acedia.
scborromeo.org/ccc/ccc_toc.htm
- What are vices?
Vices are the opposite of virtues. They are perverse habits which darken the conscience and incline one to evil. The vices can be linked to the seven, so-called, capital sins which are: pride, avarice, envy, anger, lust, gluttony, and sloth or acedia.
vatican.va/archive/compendium_ccc/documents/archive_2005_compendium-ccc_en.html
Of course sins like fornication, lusting after some woman, adultery etc do not admit of parvity of matter.
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brad90956
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Bookcat gave a really good answer.
For example, say you are angry at someone who slighted you. You call them a “jerk” and walk away without listening to their explanation. Initially, you were mad at them and let your passion get the best of you. They tell you that they are sorry. You talk about it, forgive them and repair your relationship.
Anger = Venial sin.
Same scenario. You are angry with this person. Instead of forgiving them after they apologize, you seek vengeance. You gossip and tell deliberate, hurtful lies about them to other people in order to damage their reputation and get revenge.
This started out as anger but it has led you wrath and pride. Wrath and pride has led to breaking God’s Commandments.
Anger = Mortal sin
For example, say you are angry at someone who slighted you. You call them a “jerk” and walk away without listening to their explanation. Initially, you were mad at them and let your passion get the best of you. They tell you that they are sorry. You talk about it, forgive them and repair your relationship.
Anger = Venial sin.
Same scenario. You are angry with this person. Instead of forgiving them after they apologize, you seek vengeance. You gossip and tell deliberate, hurtful lies about them to other people in order to damage their reputation and get revenge.
This started out as anger but it has led you wrath and pride. Wrath and pride has led to breaking God’s Commandments.
Anger = Mortal sin
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horselvr
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Brad and Bookcat: Thank you so much for taking the time to answer my question. I really appreciate this. Certainly cleared up my confusion on the "deadly " part especially.
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