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#1 Question: Why did the Church change our day of worship from Saturday to Sunday. According to the 7th Day Adventists, it was a direct commandment from God to worship only on the 7th day.

#2 Question: Among other hurtful things, a 7th Day Adventist (on tv) said that it was wrong for any authority to **require **anyone to be celibate such as Catholics require priests and nuns to be. He gave a direct quote from the Bible, but I forget what it was.

The 7th Day Adventists appear to be some of the nicest, most devout people UNTIL they start talking about Catholics. It really disturbs me that they get on t.v. and degrade the Pope and everything that Catholics hold dear.

My Catholic faith is very strong but I must admit that sometimes they create just a little shadow of doubt in me because I don’t have the answers to their Bible quotes.

Blessings,
Shannin
 
The Historical Record!

Christians always worshipped on the first day (Sunday)
They state that they stopped keeping the Sabbath to worship on Sunday started with the apostles. None of say they kept the seventh day Sabbath. The only mention of Sabbath keeping was by Eusebius in 300 AD by a cult-sect known as the Ebionites, who Eusebius says also worshipped on the first day. (Ebionites were a cult of Judaizers who enforced circumcision, rejected Apostle Paul’s teachings, denied Jesus’ virgin birth and his deity.)
They partook of the Lord’s Supper (communion) every first day.
They called the first day (Sunday) the Lord’s day.
They called the day Jesus rose from the dead, the Lord’s Day.
They said the reason they worshipped on the first day, was because it was a weekly memorial of the day Jesus rose from the dead!
They outright state that no one prior to Moses (Adam, Noah, Abraham etc) ever kept the Sabbath because it was Moses who first gave the Sabbath law and the ten commandments to man!
Augustine actually stated that Christians are bound to keep 9 of the ten Commandments [because the New Testament repeats and re-introduces them in a different form] but are free to break the Sabbath!
The earliest Christians never considered Sunday to be a rest day or the Sabbath. You will observe that the first mention of Sunday being a day of rest was in 220AD by Origen. This is the beginning of the current false doctrine, that Sunday is the Christian Sabbath, as taught by most churches today.
While Sabbatarians will quote 20th century authors who guess about what happened 1900 years earlier, we quote Christians whose writings are 1900 years old and spoke what they saw!
 
Quote…“They called the first day [Sunday] the Lords Day”

Just wanted to point out that from the the Day of the Resurection , the new creation ,that it is every 7th day after that.

st julie
 
Okay, but what about my second question. The 7th Day Adventists say that it says somewhere in the Bible that itis forbidden by God for anyone to require celibacy such as Catholics require of priests and some nuns?

This is very very serious to me. I don’t know the Bible that well yet and I want to be able to defend my faith.

Shannin
 
shannin said:
Okay, but what about my second question. The 7th Day Adventists say that it says somewhere in the Bible that itis forbidden by God for anyone to require celibacy such as Catholics require of priests and some nuns?

This is very very serious to me. I don’t know the Bible that well yet and I want to be able to defend my faith.

Shannin
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Here is what the bible says regarding celibacy.

Matt 19:11-12: “Not all can accept this word, but only those to whom it is granted. Some are incapable of marriage because they were born so; some, because they were made so by others; some, because they have renounced marriage for the sake of the kingdom of God. Whoever can accept this ought to accept it.”

1 Cor 7:8 “To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is well for them to remain single as I am.”

1 Cor 7:27-34 “Are you free from a wife? Do not seek marriage. . . those who marry will have worldly troubles, and I would spare you that. . . . The unmarried man is anxious about the affairs of the Lord, how to please the Lord; but the married man is anxious about worldly affairs, how to please his wife, and his interests are divided. And the unmarried woman or girl is anxious about the affairs of the Lord, how to be holy in body and spirit; but the married woman is anxious about worldly affairs, how to please her husband.”

1 Cor 7:38 “He who marries does well; and he who refrains from marriage will do better.”

In short, the command to “be fruitful and multiply” is a general precept for the entire human race and is not binding upon the individual believer.
 
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shannin:
The 7th Day Adventists appear to be some of the nicest, most devout people UNTIL they start talking about Catholics. It really disturbs me that they get on t.v. and degrade the Pope and everything that Catholics hold dear.
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Matthew 12:30
"He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters.

However -

Matthew 6:14
For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.

I don’t see people attacking other denominations that do not share their beliefs as aggressively. I guess that happens when one holds steadfastly to the truth.

We must just remember to remain gracious. They will never succeed in destroying the church - We have not managed to do it ourselves!
 
No one “forces” a priest to become a priest.
No one “forces” a nun to become a nun.

These individuals who feel called by God to make this sacrifice do so with full knowledge of what is required.
When they willfully accept this sacrifice how can it be described as a “forced” decision?

Also - Check out the beginning of the Book of Revelation.
John describes the day he had his vision as being the “Lord’s day”

This is sunday.
Also know as “the first day of the week” during the gospel accounts of the resurrection of Christ.

Christians are celebrating the resurrection of Christ on sunday.
 
Ask this question to your SDA friends, “If our preachers are to be Christlike and Christ was celibate, why are their preachers not celibate?”

I have SDA friends too and I found it much easier to turn around the conversation and ask them questions about their faith and why it is different then what Christ taught. Don’t defend your 'F’aith, make them defend their 'f’aith! They can’t from what I’ve seen and will eventually change topics.
 
shannin said:
#1 Question: Why did the Church change our day of worship from Saturday to Sunday. According to the 7th Day Adventists, it was a direct commandment from God to worship only on the 7th day.
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it IS true that Catholics switched the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday, and the Catholics who did this were the Apostles themselves in Acts 20:7 :yup:
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shannin:
#2 Question: Among other hurtful things, a 7th Day Adventist (on tv) said that it was wrong for any authority to **require **anyone to be celibate such as Catholics require priests and nuns to be. He gave a direct quote from the Bible, but I forget what it was.

The 7th Day Adventists appear to be some of the nicest, most devout people UNTIL they start talking about Catholics. It really disturbs me that they get on t.v. and degrade the Pope and everything that Catholics hold dear.

My Catholic faith is very strong but I must admit that sometimes they create just a little shadow of doubt in me because I don’t have the answers to their Bible quotes.

Blessings,
Shannin
1. Others have given you excellent answers to the celibacy issue.

**2. As for SDA’s attack on Catholics, :tsktsk: read Romans 1:7-11. **

We were here before the book of Romans was written, and for that matter before the NT was written. Notice what Paul says about the Church of Rome in those passages. Our faith is known around the world, and he wants to visit Rome to be encouraged by their obedience to faith. And we know from scripture, that God perfects what He starts correct?

**As for the SDA’s, they’re only 100 years old, and we know who started THEM. They formed from division, factions, and dissensions which is clearly condemned by scripture. They’re just one of 30,000+ divisions, and factions we see within Protestantism. Not a good way to beging an argument with a Catholic who’s Church Paul wants to visit to be encouraged by their faith, because he says our faith has been reported around the world! **

Paul has some strong parting words to the Church of Rome regarding people who cause divisions, and factions;

*"I urge you brothers to watch out for those who cause divisions and obsticles in your The Church of Rome’s] way that are contrary to the teachings you have learned [from us]. Keep away from them. For such people are not serving Our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own appetites. They deceive the minds of naive people. Everyone has heard about your [Church of Rome’s] obedience, so I am full of joy over you…the God of peace will soon crush Satan under your [the Church of Rome’s] feet.Rm 16:17-20] *

**WOW!!! **
**"the acts of a sinful nature are obvious, …dissensions, factions, …and the like. I warn you as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God." [Gal 5:19…] :bigyikes: **
**Shannin, don’t let them put you on the defensive. “God will crush Satan, under the Church of Romes feet” **
Peace
 
I can’t add much to the great threads above, except that the guy on tv that is an sda, looks and talks like a crooked used car salesman. Their only reason for being on tv is to bash catholics, just like many other religions. What a bunch of bigots! We’ll pray for them.
 
I work with a 7th Day Adventist and he is a strict vegetarian. Does anyone know why and how I can respond to his assertion that it’s a sin to eat meat?
 
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dfb1105:
I work with a 7th Day Adventist and he is a strict vegetarian. Does anyone know why and how I can respond to his assertion that it’s a sin to eat meat?
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The following Bible passages may help you respond to his assertion.

Mark 7:17-22 says:
And he [Jesus] said to them, “Then are you also without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into a man from outside cannot defile him, since it enters, not his heart but his stomach, and so passes on?” (Thus he declared all foods clean.) And he said, “What comes out of a man is what defiles a man. For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, fornication, theft, murder, adultery, coveting, wickedness, deceit, licentiousness, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within, and they defile a man.”

1 Tim 4:1-3 says:
“Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by giving heed to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, through the pretensions of liars whose consciences are seared, who…enjoin abstinence from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.”
 
Todd Easton:
The following Bible passages may help you respond to his assertion.

Mark 7:17-22 says:
And he [Jesus] said to them, “Then are you also without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into a man from outside cannot defile him, since it enters, not his heart but his stomach, and so passes on?” (Thus he declared all foods clean.) And he said, “What comes out of a man is what defiles a man. For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, fornication, theft, murder, adultery, coveting, wickedness, deceit, licentiousness, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within, and they defile a man.”

1 Tim 4:1-3 says:
“Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by giving heed to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, through the pretensions of liars whose consciences are seared, who…enjoin abstinence from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.”
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Well done.

MrS
 
Todd Easton:
The following Bible passages may help you respond to his assertion.

Mark 7:17-22 says:
And he [Jesus] said to them, “Then are you also without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into a man from outside cannot defile him, since it enters, not his heart but his stomach, and so passes on?” (Thus he declared all foods clean.) And he said, “What comes out of a man is what defiles a man. For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, fornication, theft, murder, adultery, coveting, wickedness, deceit, licentiousness, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within, and they defile a man.”

1 Tim 4:1-3 says:
“Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by giving heed to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, through the pretensions of liars whose consciences are seared, who…enjoin abstinence from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.”
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1 Tim 4 is the passage that talks about “forbidding to marry” as a “doctrine of demons” - so it gets quoted against clerical celibacy.​

OTO, the CC regards marriage as a sacrament; a means of grace 🙂 - which suggests that throwing 1 Tim 4 around is a bit careless. 🙂

Acts 10 and 15 both have a good deal to say about what food is allowed. Neither chapter requires us to be vegetarian. See also Romans 14 on this topic. ##
 
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