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GloriaPatri4
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vern humphrey:
Funny, I don’t hear about the marines having a Lavender Mafia
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vern_humphrey
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That’s because when the Marines have problems with homosexual misconduct, they don’t sweep it under the rug. They kick the offenders out.Funny, I don’t hear about the marines having a Lavender Mafia
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Gilbert Keith:
I think what you had was a Chruch that became very lenient on who they let in the Seminaries. I also doubt a man goes into the Priesthood with the intention of using it to “pick up” boys. What I have read is that many times a young man will have feelings of attraction to the same sex/and or boys and enter the Priesthood hoping celibacy will help them overcome this desire.
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That’s because when the Marines have problems with homosexual misconduct, they don’t sweep it under the rug. They kick the offenders out.
So are you suggesting the Church might have been more judgmental … like the Marines?
That’s because when the Marines have problems with homosexual misconduct, they don’t sweep it under the rug. They kick the offenders out.
So are you suggesting the Church might have been more judgmental … like the Marines?
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Black_Jaque
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Darn right! Remember we are being judgemental about misconduct, not people.
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vern_humphrey
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Gilbert Keith:
Their duties require them to enforce military law.
That’s a BIG difference between the kind of judgementalism we sometimes see in these threads.
The officers of the Marine Corps are appointed by the President with the advice and consent of the Senate of the United States. They swear an oath when they take office.
Their duties require them to enforce military law.
That’s a BIG difference between the kind of judgementalism we sometimes see in these threads.
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*Their duties require them to enforce military law.
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And don’t the duties of bishops require them to discipline or remove perverse priests from the priesthood?
*Their duties require them to enforce military law.
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And don’t the duties of bishops require them to discipline or remove perverse priests from the priesthood?
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Gilbert Keith:
But you and I have no such duty. It’s not our job to remove failed priests or sub-standard Marines.
Yes, and they failed in their duty.
But you and I have no such duty. It’s not our job to remove failed priests or sub-standard Marines.
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BayCityRickL said:
As homosexuals infiltrated the Church over decades, pretty soon you had homosexuals hiring homosexuals; or homosexuals tolerating homosexual activity; or homosexuals cliques forming within semanaries and diocese protecting each other and changing the politics of individual seminaries.
In a few decades of continued homosexual infiltration of the Church you had a climate of general tolerance for homosexuals even by non-homosexual ‘liberals’.
Even to this day homosexuals within the Church minimalize and deny the extent of the damage done by sexual abuse scandal to the Church, and never consider the damage done to the victims of homosexual abuse, some who have committed suicide.
There was a moral meltdown in the Church caused by the homosexual infiltration and tolerance of homosexuality within the Catholic priesthood.
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vern humphrey:
Yes I totally agree. There is a homosexual/political agenda being pushed when someone tries to distinguish the difference between homosexuality and pedophilia when pedophila is a manifestation of homosexuality.
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vern humphrey:
Since homosexuality is not a race, religion, or an ethnic group but an emotional disturbed condition, how can one regard disaproval of a mental health disorder as ‘hate’? More politically correct euphemisms at work by liberals.
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Bobby A. Greene:
The professor who sent it claims it makes her work environment uncomfortable.
There’s a Muslim student in Massachusetts (as I recall) who reacted to an email enviting him to a lesbian event by asking he be sent no more invitations to such abominiations – he’s being disciplined.
The professor who sent it claims it makes her work environment uncomfortable.
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hey we the lay people should be taking a stand, we are part of the Church, by all means the priestly offenders should be prosecuted, but more importantly we should be going out of our way to have the bishops prosecuted who covered up these people, we should scandalise them and have them defrocked, just like the priests who sexually abused these boys. There is absolutely no justification for the sexual abuse of the young, no excuses, nothing.
The church is an institution and whilst institutions have their way of moving and grooving so that sometimes what should be wrong is right etc., there comes a time with a line in the sand where that cannot be claimed by anyone and sexual abuse.
Cardinal LAW is the classic example, if he was truly compassionate he would have done something concrete for the victims when he found out his priests were abusing the young. Yet he did nothing for the victims but simply did what he could to “help” his poor poor priests with their problems, and the reason he did nothing for the victims was becasue to do so would have involved the authorities, trully without doubt an evil man, yet the head honchos protected him.
As society becomes more modern so that such problems cannot be hidden all it does is hurt the Church. No one can make a claim for LAW that anything other than excommunicaiton was warranted, yet publicly he is protected by the Church, how many people are prevented from entering the Church when they see such obvious and blatant coverups by those in the highest of authorities.
The church is an institution and whilst institutions have their way of moving and grooving so that sometimes what should be wrong is right etc., there comes a time with a line in the sand where that cannot be claimed by anyone and sexual abuse.
Cardinal LAW is the classic example, if he was truly compassionate he would have done something concrete for the victims when he found out his priests were abusing the young. Yet he did nothing for the victims but simply did what he could to “help” his poor poor priests with their problems, and the reason he did nothing for the victims was becasue to do so would have involved the authorities, trully without doubt an evil man, yet the head honchos protected him.
As society becomes more modern so that such problems cannot be hidden all it does is hurt the Church. No one can make a claim for LAW that anything other than excommunicaiton was warranted, yet publicly he is protected by the Church, how many people are prevented from entering the Church when they see such obvious and blatant coverups by those in the highest of authorities.
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That’s what I don’t get. For my whole adult life and I would say my teen years, I have understood that it is entirely wrong to hurt others, especially those who are more vulnerable, like someone younger. How on this green earth could these Bishops not have had the same understanding? Where was their outrage at the ones who did this? Where were the feelings of justice for the abused? How could they continue to preach justice when they didn’t even provide it themselves.
The other thing that really has me for a loop is when priests express outrage at lay people for our outrage about another priest who has committed some act maybe only once. They want us to continue to let him in his ministry and forgive him. I’m sorry sometimes even one mistake is too many. If I commit murder, they aren’t going to let me get away with it just because it was my first time. Sure he can be forgiven, but he abused his position end of story.
Here’s my take on why the media won’t report it for what it is. Homosexuality is in and religion is out basically. If they told it like it really is they would have to point out all the errors in the argument for “gay rights.” There is the truth and then there is what the media tell us is the truth. Can you imagine the uproar the minority gay community would have?
Where are all the courageous saintly priests?
The other thing that really has me for a loop is when priests express outrage at lay people for our outrage about another priest who has committed some act maybe only once. They want us to continue to let him in his ministry and forgive him. I’m sorry sometimes even one mistake is too many. If I commit murder, they aren’t going to let me get away with it just because it was my first time. Sure he can be forgiven, but he abused his position end of story.
Here’s my take on why the media won’t report it for what it is. Homosexuality is in and religion is out basically. If they told it like it really is they would have to point out all the errors in the argument for “gay rights.” There is the truth and then there is what the media tell us is the truth. Can you imagine the uproar the minority gay community would have?
Where are all the courageous saintly priests?
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vern_humphrey
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I would like to think they did it out of misguided charity. In my own case, if I had never read newspaper accounts of such cases, I would never have believed a grown man could see a child as a sex object – it’s a crime I can’t understand at all.
Perhaps the bishops were like that – and hoped the offenders could be cured.
But another part of me says, “No. It happened too often, there were too many repeat offenders for anyone to think these predators could be ‘cured’ by any means known to man.”
One trait of “addictive behavior” is anger when you try to intervene. A drunk or drug addict will tell you, “It’s MY life and none of your business.” I suspect a lot of these predators felt the same way.
For those who aren’t predators, it’s the old “circle the wagons” reaction.
Look for their signatures on the letter they sent to Cardinal Law telling him he had to go.
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GloriaPatri4
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I have come to the conclusion over these last few months that some of these bishops are gay and they too have something hanging over their heads that they fear will be exposed. Maybe these bishops aren’t actively gay but had been at some time and feared that their past would come back to haunt them. Some of the Catholic clergy is so worried about the skin on their back that they would rather put children at risk than come forward and take a stand
Again there are so many of these priests who are covering for each other because many of them have skeletons in their closet.
Sadly, all the corageous saintly priests are too few and far between but then again all we need is a few good men (priests) to take a stand and I pray every day that this will happen
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