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[Mango]

r.gonzales:

this context given by brother jalal is what is indicated by islamic history, the asbaab an-nuzool (reasons of revelation) and the books of tafseer. it should be noted here that the portion of tafseer ibn katheer you provided is taken from the english rendition of the abridgedment done by safi ar-rahman al-mubarakpuri for darussalam publishing and are clipped. added to the fact that your quotes are clipped is the fact that the source itself it is not the complete tafseer by ibn katheer and excludes many parts from it - the original tafseer ibn katheer being 4 volumes in arabic, and the abridgement being 1 volume in arabic. the subheadings used were added by al-mubarakpuri and are not included in the original.

The Context of this verse according to Ibn kathir is,

1. Pagans were defeated, the people entered Allah’s religion in large numbers. Arabia was secured, no threat to Islam.
2. Order to fight the People of the Book. Romans are target now.

So, It is clear It was revealed after all the pagans were defeated and there is no more to conquire inside Arabia. Outside Arabia only Romans and Persians were 2 stong empires.

So, allah asks mohammed to fight against Christians and jews.

Did Romans attack muslims ? No.

Did Jews attack muslims ? At this time all the jews were ethnic-cleansed by muslims. So, no jews were left.

Did Persians attack muslims ? No.

**So, What is the need for this verse other than commanding offensive strike against Romans ? **

I think tafsir.com includes all the volumes. Even with the available info in tafsir.com, Ibn Kathir Says,

***This honorable Ayah was revealed with the order to fight the People of the Book, after the Pagans were defeated, the people entered Allah’s religion in large numbers, and the Arabian Peninsula was secured under the Muslims’ control. Allah commanded His Messenger to fight the People of the Scriptures, Jews and Christians, on the ninth year of Hijrah, and he prepared his army to fight the Romans and called the people to Jihad announcing his intent and destination….

Paying Jizyah is a Sign of Kufr (Unbeliever) and Disgrace.

Allah said, until they pay the Jizyah, if they do not choose to embrace Islam, with willing submission, in defeat and subservience, and feel themselves subdued, disgraced, humiliated and belittled. Therefore, Muslims are not allowed to honor the people of Dhimmah or elevate them above Muslims, for they are miserable, disgraced and humiliated.

Christians and Jews that don’t embrace Islam are forced to submit in defeat, subservience, and feel themselves subdued, disgraced, humiliated and belittled. Muslims are not allowed to honor Christians and Jews, for they are miserable, disgraced, and humiliated.***

r.gonzales:

the second clipped portion you quoted can be found here: tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=9&tid=20986.

I already quoted this link.

*(Do not initiate the Salam to the Jews and Christians, and if you meet any of them in a road, force them to its narrowest alley.) This is why the Leader of the faithful `Umar bin Al-Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, demanded his well-known conditions be met by the Christians, these conditions that ensured their continued humiliation, degradation and disgrace. *

Ibn Kathir and M.Khan is very clear in their saying that it is an offensive verse and muslims are asked to fight against Christians and Jews whenever they become strong.

 

[Mango]

Regarding your answer to my question, Your answer was not clear-cut, still elusive and evading in nature. You could have easily answered me in one line if you are sure about that answer.

r.gonzales:

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thirdly, the context of this verse, as proven by the circumstances surrounding its revelation is one of hostility and aggression from the christians and jews surrounding the muslims. this command was not sent down during a time of peace and calm. it was revealed during a time when the jews and christians, as well as the hypcocrites among the muslims were showing hostility towards the muslims.

Context is very clear from Ibn kathir.

Pagans were defeated, there was no threat to muslims. Allah ordered to fight people-of-book.

Roman Christians didn’t attack Muslims. Jews were no in position to challege muslims, they were already ethnic cleansed by muslims. Persians also didn’t attack muslims.

r.gonzales:

so, given the context of this verse, as well as the circumstances of the current situation, what a muslim is obliged to do is call you to islam, and clarify any misconceptions you may have with regards to it by means of discussion and explanations using evidences from the Quran and the Sunnah.

Ok. Muslims call me to accept Islam. I reject the call. I go in my way.

Should still muslims attack me and force me to pay Jizya ?

r.gonzales:

as mentioned in the posts i linked to, the jizyah tax is paid by non-muslim citizens of a muslim state living under its protection. they are not those who are just there on work visas or student visas, they’re actual citizens of that muslim state. if you don’t live in a muslim country, why would you have to pay the jizyah tax?

Not many Islamic scholars agree with you this as protection tax. It is tax to coerce, humialiate the non-muslims so as to force them to Islam.

Ibn Kathir puts it plainly,

Paying Jizyah is a Sign of Kufr (Unbeliever) and Disgrace.

Let us See what other scholars say,

Abul 'Ala Mawdudi, Qur’anic exegete and founder of the Islamist Pakistani group Jama’at-i-Islami interprets the Qur’anic imperative to Jihad as having the aim of subjugating non-Muslims, to force them to pay the Jizyah as the defining symbol of their subjection:

… Jews and the Christians …should be forced to pay Jizya in order to put an end to their independence and supremacy so that they should not remain rulers and sovereigns in the land. These powers should be wrested from them by the followers of the true Faith, who should assume the sovereignty and lead others towards the Right Way.

(sullivan-county.com/id3/jizyah.htm)

Al-Mawardi (the famous Shafi’i jurist of Baghdad), stated in al-Ahkam as-Sultaniyyah (The Laws of Islamic Governance) that jizyah is paid by the enemy in return for peace, and if the payment of jizyah ceases, then jihad is resumed.[6]

The Hedaya states that “it cannot be accepted of the infidel if he send it by the hands of a messenger, but must be exacted in a mortifying and humiliating manner, by the collector sitting and receiving it from him in a standing posture; (according to one tradition), the collector is to seize him by the throat, and shake him saying ‘Pay your tax, Zimmee’.”[8] (http://voi.org/books/jihad/app2.htm)’ It also states that jizyah means “retribution”, and defines it as “a species of punishment, inflicted upon infidels on account of their infidelity, whence it is termed Jizyat”[9]

Al-Zamakhshari, a commentator on the Qur’an, said that “the Jizyah shall be taken from them with belittlement and humiliation. The dhimmi shall come in person, walking not riding. When he pays, he shall stand, while the tax collector sits. The collector shall seize him by the scruff of the neck, shake him, and say “Pay the Jizyah!” and when he pays it he shall be slapped on the nape of the neck.”

Criticism of Jizya has typically focussed not only on its specific application to non-Muslims, but its alleged humiliating nature. It has been described as a demonstration of “constitutional inferiority and humiliation”[18] (debate.org.uk/topics/history/xstnc-5.html) and criticized for the alleged “consistent, intentionally humiliating character of its application”.[19] (secularislam.org/articles/bostom.htm) According to orientalist S.D. Goitein in Evidence on the Muslim Poll Tax from Non-Muslim Sources

**It was of course, evident that the tax represented a discrimination and was intended, according to the Koran’s own words, to emphasize the inferior status of the non-believers. **(answers.com/topic/jizyah)

Another Question,

Should i feel subdued when paying Jizya ?

 

[r.gonzales]

Mango:

It Seems your M.Khan’s translation is wrong.

you misunderstood what i said. the translation of the verse i quoted was my own. i stated that m. khan’s translation is more accurate without the parenthesized additions than the one you provided by y. ali.

Mango:

I think tafsir.com includes all the volumes.

i am familiar with the site and with the translation that’s available on it. the site contains the abridged version of tafseer ibn katheer. i should know, one of my friends was the chief editor for the publication. as i mentioned in my post, the abridgement was done by a scholar named safi ar-rahman al-mubarakpuri, and is contained in one volume in the original arabic (the translation in english is 10 volumes. i have this copy in my personal library). the original tafseer ibn katheer is contained in 4 volumes in the original arabic. so what’s available on tafsir.com is not the complete tafseer by ibn katheer. and as i mentioned, in the original, ibn katheer mentions that this verse was the first command revealed to fight against the people of the Book.

the following is the full translation of what is found in the full version of tafseer ibn katheer, the arabic of which can be found here*.

this noble verse was revealed as the first command with fighting the people of the Book, after the affairs of the polytheists were settled and the people entered into Allah’s religion in crowds. so when the arabian peninsula was in order, Allah and His messenger commanded fighting the people of the two Books, the jews and the christians; and that was during the ninth year. due to this, Allah’s messenger prepared himself for fighting the romans and called the people to that and made it (his intentions) obvious to them and he dispatched to the arab districts around madeenah and commissioned them. so they joined with him and he assembled with respect to combatants, around 30,000. some of the people from the people of madeenah stayed behind and from amongst them were the hypocrites and others; and that was during a year of drought and a time of high summer and heat. he, upon him be the peace, went out, intending ash-shaam for fighting the romans. then he reached tabook and settled in it and rested upon its water for close to twenty days. then he sought counsel from Allah regarding the return. so he returned on its year. that was due to restriction of the situation and the people’s weakness.

a couple of explanitory notes: firstly, “after the affairs of the polytheists were settled and the people entered into Allah’s religion in crowds” is a reference to the conquest of makkah; the polytheists being the pagan makkans and “the people entered into Allah’s religion in crowds” referring to the verse in soorah an-nasr (ch.110).

as for your assertion about the romans not attacking the muslims, then you’re wrong. the conflict between the muslims and the romans was present before the revelation of this verse. here’s some background info regarding the battle of tabook and its causes: muslimaccess.com/sunnah/seerah/35.htm.

Mango:

Ibn Kathir and M.Khan is very clear in their saying that it is an offensive verse and muslims are asked to fight against Christians and Jews whenever they become strong.

firstly, m. khan is not a scholar of islam. he’s a translator. as for the verse being an offensive verse, nobody said it wasn’t. what was said was that the verse’s context is one of conflict and aggression from the opposing parties, and the circumstances present when this verse was revealed more than makes this context clear.

Mango:

Ok. Muslims call me to accept Islam. I reject the call. I go in my way.

Should still muslims attack me and force me to pay Jizya ?

no, the call to fighting against the disbelievers is done by the muslim rulers. not upon individual muslims. these verses address the muslim state. the jizyah is a tax levied by the islamic state on its non-muslim citizens, as has already been mentioned.

con’t…
*

 

[r.gonzales]

Mango:

Not many Islamic scholars agree with you this as protection tax. It is tax to coerce, humialiate the non-muslims so as to force them to Islam.

Ibn Kathir puts it plainly,

Paying Jizyah is a Sign of Kufr (Unbeliever) and Disgrace.

firstly, those are not ibn katheer’s words. you failed to comprehend the clear statement i made in my previous post regarding the subheadings found in the abdridgement of his tafseer.

secondly, ibn katheer doesn’t explicitly explain what the jizyah is in his tafseer of this verse. he does, however, mention in both his explanation of this verse and the preceding verse that the jizyah tax is taken from “ahl adh-dhimmah”, which literally translates to “the people of protection”. so using ibn katheer to prove your point here is kind of useless, as it’s clear from this statement of his that the jizyah is paid to the muslim rulers in leiu of protection of their lives, their wealth and their properties.

this more explicitly explained in the tafseer of as-sa’dee, where he states, “until they give the jizyah (tax), meaning: the money that is given as a recompense for the muslims’ leaving off fighting them and establishing them as being safe with respect to their selves and their wealth among the muslims. it is taken from them every year, each person according to the state of his condition, from the rich, the poor and the middle-class, just as the commander of the believers, umar bin al-khattaab and others from the commmanders of the muslims did.” (the original arabic of this statement can be found here.)

Mango:

Abul 'Ala Mawdudi,

his exegesis is not considered to be an authoritative source for islamic beliefs. he himself sufferred from the ideologies of the sect known as the khawaarij, which is also the sect whose beliefs and ideologies are held by individuals like usaamah bin laadin and other extemists.

Mango:

Al-Mawardi (the famous Shafi’i jurist of Baghdad), stated in al-Ahkam as-Sultaniyyah (The Laws of Islamic Governance) that jizyah is paid by the enemy in return for peace, and if the payment of jizyah ceases, then jihad is resumed.

peace: meaning, non-muslim citizens of a muslim country (not there on work visas or student visas or the like) pay the jizyah in leiu of protection for their lives, their properties and wealth.

Mango:

Al-Zamakhshari, a commentator on the Qur’an, said that “the Jizyah shall be taken from them with belittlement and humiliation. The dhimmi shall come in person, walking not riding. When he pays, he shall stand, while the tax collector sits. The collector shall seize him by the scruff of the neck, shake him, and say “Pay the Jizyah!” and when he pays it he shall be slapped on the nape of the neck.”

there is nothing in the Quran and Sunnah that states this is the manner in which the jizyah is to be collected/paid.

 

[Ching_PBUH]

gurrato alaien:

Peace
we are commanded to FINGHT IN THE WAY OF ALLAH AGAINST THOSE WHO FIGHT AGAINST US… means if anyone come to fight and trying to Kill or to take us away from our faith. in this case only we have to defend our WAY OF LIFE (DEEN or RELIGION) in the Cause of God. in order to make his words the most HIGH.

No big deal! Both mankind and **wild beasts ** (even without clear guidance from the one true “god” ) since time immemorial fight or retaliate when attacked or provoked!!

True Prophets have a God’s message to deliver and God’s command to obey and show to his flocks. It would seem to me that the so called LAST PROPHET rode along with the sins abhorred by God as written in the Gospel of Christ. Mohammad legalised slavery, plundered, looted and he even had the cheek to share those ill-gotten materials wealths (20%) with Allah!! That’s outright blasphemy, a blasphemy of the highest order!!

True Prophets should have NO FEAR or FAVOUR in carrying out and living out God’s teaching. Jesus was one such man! Where there was rampant war and enmity He said, “Love your enemy”, “Turn the other cheek”, “Love your neighbour as yourself”

Did Jesus really walked the face of the earth? Was He real? Did He really exist as written? Even if He did not really exist, the truth of His teachings is real truth that will set us free and that’s all that matters!

 

[Chris_LaRock]

Would us Christians be free to refuse paying such a tax according to our beleif in honoring God before man, or would we have to ‘render onto Cesar that which belongs to Cesar’?

 

[Faith101]

Chris LaRock:

Would us Christians be free to refuse paying such a tax according to our beleif in honoring God before man, or would we have to ‘render onto Cesar that which belongs to Cesar’?

Would i be free to stop paying taxes to the united states? No, if i wanted to stop paying taxes, i leave the country or suffer the consequences.

Like non muslim citizens of a muslim countries, Muslims also have to give a certain percentage of their income.

 

[Chris_LaRock]

Faith101:

Would i be free to stop paying taxes to the united states? No, if i wanted to stop paying taxes, i leave the country or suffer the consequences.

Like non muslim citizens of a muslim countries, Muslims also have to give a certain percentage of their income.

What I’m talking about is being taxed as punishment for following a faith other than the one the government approves of. Would Christians be allowed by the teachings of Christ to refuse such a tax?

 

[Faith101]

Chris LaRock:

What I’m talking about is being taxed as punishment for following a faith other than the one the government approves of. Would Christians be allowed by the teachings of Christ to refuse such a tax?

Non muslims living in a muslim country as citizens are free from certain obligations, like joining the army or fighting to protect the land that they are in from invasion. They have to pay for that type of protection since they are not providing any part of it.

They are free to remain Christian and practice their faith. The prophet peace be upon him forbid Muslims from preventing the Christians from building and repairing their churches. When a muslim man marries a christian woman, he *must * allow her to continue practicing her faith.

You live in a land, you have to pay the taxes that the rulers of the land require. Otherwise, you are free to leave.

 

[Chris_LaRock]

Faith101:

Non muslims living in a muslim country as citizens are free from certain obligations, like joining the army or fighting to protect the land that they are in from invasion. They have to pay for that type of protection since they are not providing any part of it.

They are free to remain Christian and practice their faith. The prophet peace be upon him forbid Muslims from preventing the Christians from building and repairing their churches. When a muslim man marries a christian woman, he *must * allow her to continue practicing her faith.

You live in a land, you have to pay the taxes that the rulers of the land require. Otherwise, you are free to leave.

This isn’t always the case though. Abuses are still done in certain Muslim countries.

 

[Faith101]

Chris LaRock:

This isn’t always the case though. Abuses are still done in certain Muslim countries.

That i agree with. But it does not stem from Islam, it stems from their own ignorance on how to deal with people. I hate to see it as much as anyone does, because this is my religion they are misrepresenting

It is also not just the non muslims that are treated harshly in some “muslim” countries, many practicing muslims are taken in by the government and abused (I know of real people who this happened to).

 

[Chris_LaRock]

My original question was to the christians. Would we be able to refuse paying an unfair tax by saying that we only submit to God, or would we do what Jesus instructed by ‘rendering to Ceasar (the authorities) what belongs to Cesar’?

 

[Cyber_Knight]

Faith101:

Non muslims living in a muslim country as citizens are free from certain obligations, like joining the army or fighting to protect the land that they are in from invasion. They have to pay for that type of protection since they are not providing any part of it.

HUH? what do you know about them?

They are free to remain Christian and practice their faith. The prophet peace be upon him forbid Muslims from preventing the Christians from building and repairing their churches. When a muslim man marries a christian woman, he *must * allow her to continue practicing her faith.

HUH? what do you know about them?

You live in a land, you have to pay the taxes that the rulers of the land require. Otherwise, you are free to leave.

The tax we are talking about is the jizya, special tax for other religions in a muslim country. WE DO PAY TAX!! BUT THAT IS BECAUSE WE ARE CITIZENS NOT BECAUSE WE ARE CHRISTIAN like what your holy koran order. Pls make a differentiation.

 

[r.gonzales]

Cyber Knight:

The tax we are talking about is the jizya, special tax for other religions in a muslim country. WE DO PAY TAX!! BUT THAT IS BECAUSE WE ARE CITIZENS NOT BECAUSE WE ARE CHRISTIAN like what your holy koran order. Pls make a differentiation.

in a muslim state, two types of people pay taxes.

1. muslim citizens - it’s called zakaah.
2. ahl adh-dhimmah (people of protection, which refers to non-muslim citizens) - it’s called jizyah.

non-muslim visitors: such as those residing in the muslim state on work visas or visitor visas or student visas are exempt from any sort of taxation. if you doubt this, why not ask your christian buddies living in saudi on work/student visas if they pay any taxes to the saudi government.

all citizens of a muslim state must pay a tax - each tax is used for something specific. so don’t go on like only non-muslim citizens are the ones who are paying taxes in a muslim state.

 

[Cyber_Knight]

r.gonzales:

1. ahl adh-dhimmah (people of protection, which refers to non-muslim citizens) - it’s called jizyah.

Explain this kind of protection. You mean so we do not lose our head or what?

 

[DeExupery]

Dear Rasheed and Faith,

in a muslim state, two types of people pay taxes.

1. muslim citizens - it’s called zakaah.
2. ahl adh-dhimmah (people of protection, which refers to non-muslim citizens) - it’s called jizyah.

Please explain about both type of taxes. I want to know about:

1. the aim of paying zakaah.
2. the obligation of paying zakaah.
3. how much is zakaah.
4. the punishment when not paying zakaah.

And for jizyah:

1. the aim of paying jizyah.
2. the obligation of paying jizyah.
3. how much is jizyah.
4. the punishment when not paying jizyah.

non-muslim visitors: such as those residing in the muslim state on work visas or visitor visas or student visas are exempt from any sort of taxation. if you doubt this, why not ask your christian buddies living in saudi on work/student visas if they pay any taxes to the saudi government.

Do they also free to bring their religious materials as they want?

all citizens of a muslim state must pay a tax - each tax is used for something specific. so don’t go on like only non-muslim citizens are the ones who are paying taxes in a muslim state.

I don’t hear anyone here mentioning that moslems don’t pay tax in moslem countries. We are discussing the application of jizyah, which is obligatory in Quran, and we find as disturbing.
Tax is used to provide public facilities, etc.
In short, do you think people should pay tax because of WHAT THEY BELIEVE?

Fox

 

[gurrato_alaien]

Peace brother,

Zakah is an obligatory payment, its one from the five Pillars of Islam to be paid by all Muslims to amir-ul-mu’mineen (the commander or ruler of Muslims). It signifies, among other things, recognition of that ruler by the Muslims.

The ways this money should be used is spelled out in the Qur’an, in Surah 9, verse 60:
{Alms are for the poor and the needy, and those employed to administer the [funds]; for those whose hearts have been [recently] reconciled [to truth]; for those in bondage and in debt; in the cause of God; and for the wayfarer: [thus is it] ordained by God, and God is full of knowledge and wisdom.}

If there is no head of state, then this verse is still clearly valid. The amount of zakah to be paid is usually agreed to be 2.5% of the unused wealth of each Muslim, based on the example rate set by Muhammad (pbuh).

As for jizyah, it is a payment by non-Muslims, which is done to demonstrate their agreement, not to fight against Muslims. This is made clear in Surah 9, verse 29:
{Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of truth, [even if they are] of the People of the Book, until they pay the jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.}

The amount is not specified in this verse, but the purpose of the payment is clear and the amount should reflect the purpose. This is illustrated historically where sometimes this payment was large and reflected the hostility that a party had against the non-Muslims.

In one case, a Jewish tribe had offered half of the date harvest to the pagans, in order to help them fight Muslims. Suitably, once Muslims defeated that tribe, they were required to pay that amount as their jizyah as a sort of punishment. In other times, non-Muslims living among Muslims only had to pay a token amount as their jizyah, if anything at all.

Inviting non-Muslims to defend the community, alongside Muslims was the basis of the constitution that established the first Islamic state in Madinah. This state recognized multiple nations, living together and pledging them to fight their common enemies together. The prophet (pbuh) also made numerous treaties with the tribes of Arabia of mutual alliance. In fact, it was an attack on one of the allied tribes by the people of Makkah that broke the truce between Muslims and the pagans of Makkah.

Parties, which are actively fighting for the side of Muslims, could not be fighting simultaneously against them. So, there is a clear case for saying that the jizyah does not apply to them, just as it was not applied to any of the allied non-Muslims, living among Muslims under the constitution of Madinah.

Muslims are not required to pay jizyah as they pay zakah, simply. In fact, if we are to take this verse literally - not historically - we can say it does not apply to anyone who is not actually fighting against Muslims. The payment here clearly refers to a sign of ending a war and a token of civil obedience or regional reconciliation. Jizyah signifies the end of fighting.

However, historically this meaning of jizyah shifted in semantics to match the zakah Muslims pay and can simply be compared to taxes in a modern state. The shift happened when the political community itself moved from a tribal structure of power to a more metropolis system of government. Almost all non-Muslims were often required to continue paying different amounts of jizya, generation after generation - as an obligation of membership in the socio-political community, if we use modern terms…

 

[Cyber_Knight]

Listen to what a sufi says about it :
“The honour of Islam lies in insulting kufr and kafirs. One who respects the kafirs dishonours the Muslims… The real purpose of levying jiziya on them is to humiliate them to such an extent that they may not be able to dress well and to live in grandeur. They should constantly remain terrified and trembling. It is intended to hold them under contempt and to uphold the honour and might of Islam.”
– Sufi saint Ahmad Sirhindi (1564-1624), letter #163

 

[DeExupery]

Dear Guratto,

Zakah is an obligatory payment

If moslems don’t pay zakah, do they get punishment? If non moslems don’t pay Jizyah, do they get punishment?

If there is no head of state, then this verse is still clearly valid. The amount of zakah to be paid is usually agreed to be 2.5% of the unused wealth of each Muslim, based on the example rate set by Muhammad (pbuh).

It’s not a big amount. So do you think that the non moslems must pay much bigger amount. Why? Is it fair? To me it’s unfair.

until they pay the jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.}*

Is this the intention of jizyah? But it’s some kind of opression, in my opinion.

In one case, a Jewish tribe had offered half of the date harvest to the pagans, in order to help them fight Muslims

Can you tell me what tribe? may be we can open up another thread about jewish tribes during Mohammed PBUH time.

In fact, it was an attack on one of the allied tribes by the people of Makkah that broke the truce between Muslims and the pagans of Makkah.

I am interested about the tribes and treaty. Do you think we need to open a separate thread?

Muslims are not required to pay jizyah as they pay zakah, simply. In fact, if we are to take this verse literally - not historically - we can say it does not apply to anyone who is not actually fighting against Muslims. The payment here clearly refers to a sign of ending a war and a token of civil obedience or regional reconciliation. Jizyah signifies the end of fighting.

But the amount is different, and seem to opress the non moslems. Don’t you think so?

However, historically this meaning of jizyah shifted in semantics to match the zakah Muslims pay and can simply be compared to taxes in a modern state

The taxes in modern states is applied the SAME for every Citizen. This case is different, brother.

Fox

 

[r.gonzales]

Cyber Knight:

Explain this kind of protection. You mean so we do not lose our head or what?

this has been explained numerous times. you continuously choose to ignore/reject it.

here’s one such explanation from post #44 of this thread:

r.gonzales:

this more explicitly explained in the tafseer of as-sa’dee, where he states, “until they give the jizyah (tax), meaning: the money that is given as a recompense for the muslims’ leaving off fighting them and establishing them as being safe with respect to their selves and their wealth among the muslims…”

firstly, if an advancing muslim army has conquered a land, the jizyah tax is levied against those people who wish to stay and live under muslim rule. it is a “recompense for the muslims’ leaving off fighting them and establishing them as being safe with respect to their selves and their wealth amongst the muslims.” meaning, in exchange for peace, they will pay this tax and it ensures them safety of their lives and their wealth, not only from the muslims who have already conquered their country, but also from anyone who tries to invade the country, as that country is now under muslim rule. as was mentioned, non-muslim citizens of a muslim ruled state are not required to pay zakaah, nor are they required to join the military.
Cyber Knight:

Listen to what a sufi says about it

i don’t care what the sufis say. the sufis are a heretic group of muslims.