9th Circuit Court - Legalize prostitution in California

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The world’s oldest profession may become legal in California. Assuming that everyone even in Catholic circles is against this is probably a stretch. My understanding is that we not to cooperate with evil. Legalizing the sex trades feels a bit like that. What are your thoughts? [poll type=multiple min=1 max=3] Speak your mind!

I think prostitution is evil of course. It is an enslavement, of the soul crushing variety. For the people not forced into it, it is still a form of cooperative enslavement.

Some people think it is a lesser evil. There will always be prostitution. Legalizing it does several things, some of which have positive attributes if done smartly. Licencing prostitutes may lower crime. Pimps often use drugs and violence to keep their “workers” under control, often keeping most or all of the money. There may be some monitoring for HIV or STDs tied to licensing, keeping these things under better control, enabling health officials to better react to disease outbreaks.


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I don’t see how with the law as invented by the courts prostitution can be illegal. What I mean is the courts must legalize it if they have any integrity. Maybe lucky for us they don’t. This isn’t to say I think they should or their previous rulings which make this a logical consequence are right.
 
I really struggle to decide what course is best. I don’t like the idea of legalization leading to normalizing prostitution BUT the fear of sex workers that keep them trapped is horrific.
 
I think prostitution should be illegal. However, I think there should be advocate groups to lead people out of the sex trade.
 
Just because it’s legal, doesn’t make it right. Prostitution treats the miracle of the body as some cheap commodity.
 
IF IT IS TO EXIST AT ALL WHICH I DON’T WANT I’d like to see it heavilyregulated and taxes, with the tax money going to rescue women from illegal sex trafficking.
 
I don’t want anyone to pay more taxes. Also, our government is increasingly paid for by vice. If government is supposed to be something we all ‘contribute’ to for the common good then funding it through vice seems rather crass.
 
I’ve read a lot of memoirs and accounts of women who were involved in polygamous FLDS marriages, and a huuuuuge part of their problem is that they were so afraid to go to the police for help when they were in abusive situations because they knew the lifestyle they were living was illegal, and they were frightened that they’d lose their children or go to prison if they sought help.

I’m not as well versed in first hand accounts from sex workers, but I’d imagine they are in similar situations. I’m for anything that will help women in abusive situations have more solid legal footing.
 
California: the new Sodom and Gomorrah.

Precious Lord, have mercy on us! Save us from the agents of Satan! Amen.
 
We may never do evil that good may come of it. I don’t see how legalizing it would be of benefit to women. Certainly, we want to help those women who are stuck in this life and/or victims of sex-trafficking. But it seems to me there has to be better ways to achieve that goal other than legalizing the very instrument of their objectification and victimization.

It wouldn’t surprise me if it is eventually legalized. Honestly, it has long struck me as very inconsistent that it is illegal to pay someone to have sex with you (prostitution) but if you pay two people to have sex so you can watch (pornography), that is considered free speech. But should it be legalized? No.
 
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It’s not a profession. And the term was used by activists, usually men, in 1800s England to legalize prostitution.
The Dutch claimed legalising prostitution would end human trafficking but it’s still a problem. The goal isn’t about helping victims but helping perverts.
 
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But it seems to me there has to be better ways to achieve that goal other than legalizing the very instrument of their objectification and victimization.
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Like what?
Joe_5859 said:
I don’t see how legalizing it would be of benefit to women.
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Decriminalizing it would make it easier for prostitutes to to get help, to get out if they want, to get medical care, etc. Legislation has changed for that no victim of prostitution/rape/trafficking who is under 18 has committed a crime so they can go to the authorities, they can report it, and don’t have to worry about being charged with a crime. Broadening it to include 18 and over will allow the same for trafficked persons who are adults.
 
These laws seek to protect the victims of sex trafficking and forced prostitution.
 
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I don’t honestly know. I would rely on those more studied in the area to make suggestions.
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Decriminalizing it would make it easier for prostitutes to to get help, to get out if they want, to get medical care, etc.
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Maybe. I’m not convinced, though. It strikes me as too similar to the argument that abortion needs to be legal in order to be “safe”. Legalizing it also makes it more socially acceptable, which may make it more widespread, which means that even more women could be caught up in that lifestyle. How many more women might go that route to make a quick buck if they didn’t have the prospect of legal consequences or if the legality makes it easy for them to advertise and do it on their own?

I don’t disagree with the idea of giving these women help and a way out rather than prosecution and prison. If that can be achieved without making prostitution legal, that would be great. But I think there would be far more damaging repercussions to making it legal than what would (possibly) be solved or made better.
 
I am not for legalizing prostitution, but I like the idea of giving women a built in bridge out. The UK drug laws do that. The supply needles free, and anyone who wants treatment gets it. Giving prostitutes a way out of their “trade” with or without legalized prostitution is a great idea too.
 
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JetteZ said:
I really struggle to decide what course is best. I don’t like the idea of legalization leading to normalizing prostitution BUT the fear of sex workers that keep them trapped is horrific.
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Prostitution was legal in most of Christendom for most of its history. The modern view of prostitution in the English-speaking world is fundamentally Victorian.

All I’ve seen criminalizing prostitution has done, whether the English-speaking world’s solution of criminalizing both prostitute and customer, or the Swedish model of criminalizing the customer, has been to force prostitution into the shadows; making prostitutes more susceptible to violence, disease and marginalization, and doing nothing to treat the frequent underlying problems like abuse, substance abuse, addiction and mental health issues. The only reason we have the prostitution laws we have is so they could be hidden away, like sweeping something unwanted under the rug.
 
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