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A baptist asked me today if I believe in being saved.

Then went on to make a point on why Baptism is not necessary to be saved.

How should should I respond to this person?
 
mkj83 said:
A baptist asked me today if I believe in being saved.

Then went on to make a point on why Baptism is not necessary to be saved.

How should should I respond to this person?
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You should study your faith so that you aren’t troubled by these questions. There’s a good Catholic home study course available online. There is a great book called, “A Survey of the Faith” which I read and it answered a lot of questions for me when I was contemplating RCIA a few years ago.

Peace…

MW
 
This is the official stance of the Church:
** VI. THE NECESSITY OF BAPTISM **
[1257](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/1257.htm’)😉 The Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation.60 He also commands his disciples to proclaim the Gospel to all nations and to baptize them.61 Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament.62 The Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude; this is why she takes care not to neglect the mission she has received from the Lord to see that all who can be baptized are “reborn of water and the Spirit.” God has bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism, but he himself is not bound by his sacraments.
[1258](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/1258.htm’)😉 The Church has always held the firm conviction that those who suffer death for the sake of the faith without having received Baptism are baptized by their death for and with Christ. This Baptism of blood, like the desire for Baptism, brings about the fruits of Baptism without being a sacrament.
[1259](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/1259.htm’)😉 For *catechumens *who die before their Baptism, their explicit desire to receive it, together with repentance for their sins, and charity, assures them the salvation that they were not able to receive through the sacrament.
[1260](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/1260.htm’)😉 "Since Christ died for all, and since all men are in fact called to one and the same destiny, which is divine, we must hold that the Holy Spirit offers to all the possibility of being made partakers, in a way known to God, of the Paschal mystery."63 Every man who is ignorant of the Gospel of Christ and of his Church, but seeks the truth and does the will of God in accordance with his understanding of it, can be saved. It may be supposed that such persons would have desired Baptism explicitly if they had known its necessity.
[1261](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/1261.htm’)😉 As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus’ tenderness toward children which caused him to say: "Let the children come to me, do not hinder them,"64 allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism. All the more urgent is the Church’s call not to prevent little children coming to Christ through the gift of holy Baptism.
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vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p2s2c1a1.htm#1258

peace,
 
Is he refering to water baptism only or including baptism of blood, faith, and desire?

If you want to argue for water baptism use these verses.

“Go into the whole world and proclaim the gospel to every creature. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved; whoever does not believe will be condemned” (Mark 16:15-16).

"Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God” (Jn. 3:5).

“It was for no reason except his own faithful love that he saved us, by means of the cleansing water of rebirth and renewal in the Holy Spirit” (Tit. 3:5)

“Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ” (1 Pet. 3:21).

Peace,

Ryan 🙂
 
mkj83 said:
A baptist asked me today if I believe in being saved.

Then went on to make a point on why Baptism is not necessary to be saved.

How should should I respond to this person?
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I’m not Catholic but, I believe the going Catholic short answer is “I have been saved, I am being saved, I hope to be saved.” If you say that to a Baptist though, be prepared for giving a long explanation of all it means.

From the Baptist point of view a simple “Yes” Tells them what they want to know. l Am not Calvinist so my thoeology is different from Baptist but I still say “Yes” if asked if I’m saved. If they ask for explaination, then I go into more information.

When they ask if you are saved, they want to know the following:
  1. Do you believe in all the Scriptures say about Jesus?
  2. Have you committed yourself to living your life how God says you should?
  3. Have you repented of your sins?
Conversations about Perserverence of the Saints, the sinner’s prayer, Calvinism, antinominism, etc are not really what most of them are referring to, though those are excellent things to clarify if they ask more questions.

Also, the best way to talk to a Baptist about baptism being required for salvation is to quote Scripture to them. 😉

Hope this helps.
 
Syele said:
I’m not Catholic but, I believe the going Catholic short answer is “I have been saved, I am being saved, I hope to be saved.” If you say that to a Baptist though, be prepared for giving a long explanation of all it means.

From the Baptist point of view a simple “Yes” Tells them what they want to know. l Am not Calvinist so my thoeology is different from Baptist but I still say “Yes” if asked if I’m saved. If they ask for explaination, then I go into more information.

When they ask if you are saved, they want to know the following:
  1. Do you believe in all the Scriptures say about Jesus?
  2. Have you committed yourself to living your life how God says you should?
  3. Have you repented of your sins?
Conversations about Perserverence of the Saints, the sinner’s prayer, Calvinism, antinominism, etc are not really what most of them are referring to, though those are excellent things to clarify if they ask more questions.

Also, the best way to talk to a Baptist about baptism being required for salvation is to quote Scripture to them. 😉

Hope this helps.
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Excellent post. 👍
 
mkj83 said:
A baptist asked me today if I believe in being saved.

Then went on to make a point on why Baptism is not necessary to be saved.

How should should I respond to this person?
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Baptism is required for being saved. It’s in the Bible.

“We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.” (Romans 6:4)
 
If a Baptist asked you this question, I do hope it was not how he/she introduced themself or was early in the conversation. That is plain rude.

When asked this question, respond “yes”. That usually answers the question. Most will not go on to other questions.

If they know or suspect you are RC, expect many uninformed comments or questions. They should accept your confirmation date before your baptism date. Why? you made the choice and since MOST Baptist are not Calvinist, that will again satisfy them.
As it has been said, they are looking for when you decided. Not very calvinistic.

If the Baptist is your friend or family member quote scripture, if not it is up to you if you want to get drawn into a tarbaby fight. In scripture quoting wars, no one listens very well.

I have found that friendship removes ignorance and replaces it with love and understanding. If they are personable and agree, sit down with a cup of coffee and talk. I routinely sit down with an Anglican and a RC priest. Amazing how much we have in common and how we have become friends.😉
 
A baptist asked me today if I believe in being saved.
Then went on to make a point on why Baptism is not necessary to be saved.
How should should I respond to this person?
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I would answer with an answer, are you saved too?
 
mkj83 said:
A baptist asked me today if I believe in being saved.

Then went on to make a point on why Baptism is not necessary to be saved.

How should should I respond to this person?
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Can you imagine that? A BAPTIST WHO DOES NOT BELIEVE IN BAPTISM!!!, this belongs on the J-leno show😃
 
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A baptist asked me today if I believe in being saved.

Then went on to make a point on why Baptism is not necessary to be saved.

How should should I respond to this person?**

Tell him there’s a BIG difference between what HE means by being saved and what YOU AND THE BIBLE mean by being saved.

You see–put HIM ono the defensive.
 
mkj83 said:
A baptist asked me today if I believe in being saved.

Then went on to make a point on why Baptism is not necessary to be saved.

How should should I respond to this person?
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you might ask him, since he is no doubt very grounded in holy scripture, why Jesus instructed his apostles, on the night of his Resurrection, to baptize all nations.
 
Mystic_Warrior said:
You should study your faith so that you aren’t troubled by these questions. There’s a good Catholic home study course available online. There is a great book called, “A Survey of the Faith” which I read and it answered a lot of questions for me when I was contemplating RCIA a few years ago.

Peace…

MW
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You should be troubled by these questions. Especially if you can’t answer them. Study your bible to determine your faith.
Baby baptism is an unbiblical doctrine.

SE
 
Syele said:
I’m not Catholic but, I believe the going Catholic short answer is “I have been saved, I am being saved, I hope to be saved.” If you say that to a Baptist though, be prepared for giving a long explanation of all it means.

From the Baptist point of view a simple “Yes” Tells them what they want to know. l Am not Calvinist so my thoeology is different from Baptist but I still say “Yes” if asked if I’m saved. If they ask for explaination, then I go into more information.

When they ask if you are saved, they want to know the following:
  1. Do you believe in all the Scriptures say about Jesus?
  2. Have you committed yourself to living your life how God says you should?
  3. Have you repented of your sins?
Conversations about Perserverence of the Saints, the sinner’s prayer, Calvinism, antinominism, etc are not really what most of them are referring to, though those are excellent things to clarify if they ask more questions.

Also, the best way to talk to a Baptist about baptism being required for salvation is to quote Scripture to them. 😉

Hope this helps.
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👍 👍 :amen:
 
Gabriel_of_12 said:
Can you imagine that? A BAPTIST WHO DOES NOT BELIEVE IN BAPTISM!!!, this belongs on the J-leno show😃
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It is a rather odd position held by our Baptist friends if you really think abouut it. They say Baptism is not a requirement for salvation, but it sure is heck required to be a member of a local congregation.

If you don’t need it to get into heaven, why do you need it to be a member of a local church?
 
MrStain said:
It is a rather odd position held by our Baptist friends if you really think abouut it. They say Baptism is not a requirement for salvation, but it sure is heck required to be a member of a local congregation.

If you don’t need it to get into heaven, why do you need it to be a member of a local church?
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Never thought of it that way, that’s a interesting perspective. How baptism is used to indentify membership in a congregation, and no practiced to enter the kingdom of God.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Amen, Amen, I say to you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born (anothen) of water and spirit. (from above or again)?
 
Gabriel_of_12 said:
Never thought of it that way, that’s a interesting perspective. How baptism is used to indentify membership in a congregation, and no practiced to enter the kingdom of God.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Amen, Amen, I say to you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born (anothen) of water and spirit. (from above or again)?
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Ya, it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. One more thing. If you were baptized as an infant that doesn’t count either and you must be rebaptized. So, help me with this:
  1. Baptists believe nothing special happens in adult baptism
  2. Baptists believe nothing special happens in infant baptism
Seem like the same outcome to me in both situations, from a Baptist standpoint. If neither baptism imbues any kind of grace upon the believer, why have someone rebaptized? Isn’t an infant baptism as equally void of God’s grace as an adult baptism?

Maybe I’m misunderstanding from all my 30 some-odd years as a Baptist, but it seems like an odd teaching to me. Any of our Baptist brothers & sisters out there to set me straight?
 
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