More than half of the TLM’s (in full communion with Rome) are offered in mixed environment. The priest serving the TLM community serves the new rite masses too. Some laymen, including me, attend the rites alternatively (I estimate 25% the alternative users)A comment on what is said in the blog:
How can the OF and EF enrich each other when most of the time people who attend one is averse to attending the other? Even priests who say one form is averse to saying the other? It seems there is two groups split across the middle in the Roman Church.
What I was thinking were for example is the FSSP. They have done a wonderful job with the TLM, but how can we get what they have in regards to the TLM to the OF when they themselves do not say the OF? I know priests who have done a wonderful job with the OF, but don’t discount what the priest of the FSSP can contribute because they are wonderful priests as well.More than half of the TLM’s (in full communion with Rome) are offered in mixed environment. The priest serving the TLM community serves the new rite masses too. Some laymen, including me, attend the rites alternatively (I estimate 25% the alternative users)
The possible effects of the TLM to the new rite is tabernacle facing celebration of the new rite, and usage of altar rail for communion; the wide, almost exclusive use of the the Confiteor as penitential rite and the Roman Canon; and interestingly the Leo XIII prayer after the weekday Mass . With this from the view from the pew the difference between the two rites seems minuscule.
The new rite interaction to the TLM is (in some churches) is the application of the 1964-1967 changes: no psalm 42, lesson and Gospel is read only in vernacular, either from the altar turning toward the people or from the seat and the ambo respectively; communion and conclusion similar to the new rite, no separate rite for the communion of the faithful, first benediction then Ite missa est and Placeat tibi Santa Trinitas w/o Last Gospel. This is how the Clear Creek monastery offers the TLM, this is from the 1962 Missal and by approved rubrics, so legal according to the Summorum Pontificium.
Longer term interaction will be the common calendar and common lectionary
WOW!! From your link:From H.E. Most Rev. Thomas E. Gullickson :
islandenvoy.blogspot.com/2011/01/4th-sunday-in-ordinary-time-year.html
Pray that more Bishops will follow the Holy Fathers directive.
Why, even three years after the issuance of Summorum Pontificum (just to name one example), are well-meaning** lay folk still treated with such great disdain by no less than bishops, bishops in communion (of heart, soul, mind and strength?) with the Successor of St. Peter when they ask for Mass in Latin?** Is this anything other than blind hypocrisy (the plank!)? You tolerate no small amount of bad taste, bad music and caprice, while begrudging some few a port in the storm of liturgical abuse which seems not to want to subside?
This is exactly what I was speaking of in my thread & poll about the Bishops EMBRACING the Latin Mass. I understand the problems of fitting in another Mass when priest’s shortages exist in PARTS of our country, but many of our Bishops don’t even want to try to find a way to serve a** growing** portion of their flock that is sick of the abuses, the priest as a “Master of Ceremonies”, a Mass that is no deeper in intellectual & spiritual content than most movies these days.When the Holy Father speaks of his will to see these two forms of the Roman Rite (ordinary and extraordinary) enrich each other, when he and others express eagerness for a recovery of the sense of the sacred in our churches and in how we worship, I am convinced that he has indicated the true nature of the rupture which has indeed occurred and needs to be mended or healed. You would think that those in communion with the Pope would seek to understand him and embrace his point of view
You complain of mistreatment by those who do not like the EF and yet you call them names. I don’t get it. You want the OF crowd to like you but you can call them names? Charity should begin at home.Thanks for this link with it’s bit of hope, but be readly for the Novus Ordo fanatics…